Sections

Revealed! LIRR bollards are bigger than they need to be!

The Brooklyn Paper
Share on TwitterTweet
Share on Facebook
Subscribe

Get our stories in your inbox, free.

Like The Brooklyn Paper on Facebook.

The controversial, tomb-like bollards around the new Long Island Rail Road terminal at Atlantic and Flatbush avenues — which were supposedly installed at the behest of the police — are actually excessive under NYPD counter-terrorism standards.

The department’s 2009 report, “Engineering Security: Protective Design for High-Risk Buildings,” advises that bollards “measure between 30 and 36 inches in height” and be spaced 48 inches apart.

But the granite-covered sarcophagi in front of the LIRR’s newly built Atlantic Terminal are 50 to 52 inches high — and they are far bulkier than even the most-rigid barricades in the NYPD handbook. And in some places, they are 36 inches apart.

Outrage about the massive obstruction around the new $106-million terminal was reported by The Brooklyn Paper earlier this month. But last week, Streetsblog, a Web site devoted to transportation and so-called “livable streets,” got out the measuring tape and revealed the LIRR’s security over-reach.

The Brooklyn Paper’s own measurements confirmed the Streetsblog account.

In an interview at the terminal’s opening earlier this month, LIRR President Helena Williams admitted that the large bollards were not in the original renderings of the terminal, but were added after “the NYPD … assess[ed] the risks and [told] us what kind of security we need.”

This week, the LIRR did not answer questions about why the agency would install bollards that greatly exceed the NYPD standards that Williams cited.

The strongest bollard cited in the NYPD security report is classified by the State Department as K-12, capable of stopping a 15,000-pound truck going 50 miles per hour.

Pictures of K-12 barriers downloaded from the Web sites of bollard manufacturers show that such strength can be had without nearly as much bulk as the LIRR is deploying at Atlantic Terminal.

One such picture shows an unobtrusive line of K-12 bollards in front of the Singapore legislature — presumably a high-risk target.

It is unclear from the NYPD security report if the Long Island Rail Road terminal even fits the definition of such a “high-risk” site, which requires 288-648 points on the department’s “risk score” worksheet, a calculation that takes into account a site’s location, strength, importance and renown.

The terminal is a vital transportation hub that has close to 60,000 users a day, and would cause severe economic loss if damaged in a terror attack. It was also the target of a prior terror plot in the late 1990s.

But it is not currently surrounded by other high-risk targets — as many Manhattan buildings are — and it is not an internationally known edifice, another factor involved in the scoring.

“There’s just something so absurd about it,” said Aaron Naparstek of Streetsblog, who opposes the massive barricade. “They’ve nearly made the train station impenetrable to their own customers. They’ve literally turned our community’s public space into something that looks like a tomb.”

But the look of the terminal is only one problem, he added.

“These poorly designed barriers are, very literally, an example of the security bureaucracy ruining our public realm,” he said. “I also have a ‘Brooklyn guy’ critique: I don’t think the LIRR ever would have dared to implement such a thoughtless and inane design in Lower Manhattan or Midtown. They’d have never gotten away with it.”

The LIRR’s decision to ring a new building with a previously unannounced security perimeter led The Brooklyn Paper to file a Freedom of Information Law request with the Empire State Development Corporation for information about what the agency is planning at the proposed Barclays Center, the basketball arena across Atlantic Avenue from the LIRR terminal.

Current renderings show a thin line of bollards, but, as the Long Island Rail Road proved this year, plans are sometimes altered without informing the public.

So far, the agency has denied The Paper’s request.

Updated 5:34 pm, January 27, 2010: Story was updated with more detail about prior criminal action at the terminal.
Today’s news:
Share on TwitterTweet
Share on Facebook
Subscribe

Get our stories in your inbox, free.

Like The Brooklyn Paper on Facebook.

Reader Feedback

Peter from Park Slope says:
If K-12 Barriers can stop a truck doing 50, what are these things supposed to stop? Are they even rated? What makes the LIRR/NYPD sure that these are better than tested, rated, and approved barriers?

And besides, we're talking about one of the most congested intersections in Brooklyn - a truck getting to 50mph there? Please. Aspiring terrorists would get stuck on 4th avenue, and would be forced to blow up one of the tire repair shops instead.
Jan. 26, 2010, 9:16 am
Peter from Park Slope says:
Also - looking at the photo of those small metal bollards - that's what rings the Time Warner Center at Columbus Circle. Why aren't those acceptable here?

It's like the NYPD and LIRR conspired with local hooligans to create a great way to hide and assault people.
Jan. 26, 2010, 9:18 am
Richard from Crown Heights says:
The Bollards also include seats on the opposites side. That could be the reason why their so taller then required to be.
Jan. 26, 2010, 10:03 am
Noah from Greenwood Heights says:
So my guess from seeing them and looking at the photos is that they aren't well anchored meaning that they need to be that much more massive to accomplish the same task, this would also likely create a major safety hazard in that if one of these tombs is hit and slides it could literally crush a pedestrian.
Jan. 26, 2010, 10:15 am
jk from boerum hill says:
my guess is the mta selected a contractor who's making a lot of money on something "special" (do i hear "no bid"?). if the mta went with a standard block, they'd have to bid the job and spend less money!
Jan. 26, 2010, 11:05 am
Eric McClure from Park Slope says:
"Outrage" about the bollards may have been first reported by the Brooklyn Paper in early January, but the story of the bollards was first broken on NoLandGrab.org a full month before that:

http://www.nolandgrab.org/archives/2009/12/tomb_of_the_unk.html

Come to think of it, we were pretty outraged, too.
Jan. 26, 2010, 11:22 am
Josie from Carroll Gardens says:
OMG!

To think LIRR exceeded the bare minimum in security - Outrageous!
Jan. 26, 2010, 1:53 pm
ch from bh says:
hey - let's make lemonade! maybe we can bury Marty and Bruce and every other nimrod responsible for this disaster inside the bollards!

as a boondoggle shrine for future generations.
Jan. 26, 2010, 2:43 pm
Mrs. Kuntzman from Brooklyn says:
I'm sure they can't be that big, men always exagerate about size. Isn't that right Gershy? ;-)
Jan. 27, 2010, 3:08 am

Enter your comment below

By submitting this comment, you agree to the following terms:

You agree that you, and not BrooklynPaper.com or its affiliates, are fully responsible for the content that you post. You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening or sexually-oriented material or any material that may violate applicable law; doing so may lead to the removal of your post and to your being permanently banned from posting to the site. You grant to BrooklynPaper.com the royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual and fully sublicensable license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such content in whole or in part world-wide and to incorporate it in other works in any form, media or technology now known or later developed.

First name
Last name
Your neighborhood
Email address
Daytime phone

Your letter must be signed and include all of the information requested above. (Only your name and neighborhood are published with the letter.) Letters should be as brief as possible; while they may discuss any topic of interest to our readers, priority will be given to letters that relate to stories covered by The Brooklyn Paper.

Letters will be edited at the sole discretion of the editor, may be published in whole or part in any media, and upon publication become the property of The Brooklyn Paper. The earlier in the week you send your letter, the better.