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Greenwood Park bar under fire from neighbors for public sex, urination, noise

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Boorish booze hounds are peeing on property, having sex in cars, and tossing used condoms onto Greenwood Heights sidewalks, say the grossed-out neighbors of a massive new beer garden.

Ever since the 700-seat beer hall Greenwood Park opened on 19th Street and Seventh Avenue last month, neighbors say their greatest fears about the venue have come true — including late-night noise, drunken driving, a street smell one resident described as “a mix of pee, cigarettes, and throw-up,” and public sex.

“You catch people making out in the entrance of apartments — and there’s noise throughout the night,” Greenwood Heights resident Jerry Simon said.

He and other neighbors want owners of the bar to hang signs encouraging patrons to be quiet while leaving, hire extra security staffers, and install Porta-Potties.

Residents claim the problem is worse on the weekends, when daytime drinkers come for the 40 draft brews and outdoor bocce ball courts and linger until nightfall — and second-shifters become more free-wheeling with the contents of their bladders.

Residents first expressed concerns about the beer garden — which is about the size of three basketball courts — last spring, saying owners had blown off neighbors and Community Board 7’s attempts to meet.

The bar then opened in June and neighbors soon began catching couples having sex in cars and on the street, especially on a secluded stretch of 19th Street near Eighth Avenue.

“On any given night, we are witnessing public urination, sexual acts being performed, and drunks stumbling down the block,” said another neighbor, Jack, who asked The Brooklyn Paper to withhold his last name because of safety concerns.

Owner Ted Mann said he takes seriously his responsibility to keep the area safe and clean.

“Our security has grown from two to eight individuals walking the space both inside and out,” said Mann, who happens to be the son of rocker Ted Nugent.

Mann said he plans to meet with Community Board 7, is working with neighbors to address their concerns, and is considering installing Porta-Potties on busy nights in addition to the bar’s eight unisex bathroom stalls.

“It is our goal to do whatever is necessary to provide the entire community with a quality place,” he said.

Reach reporter Natalie O'Neill at noneill@cnglocal.com or by calling her at (718) 260-4505.

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Joe from 20th St says:
One word- Nasty
July 30, 2012, 9:12 am
Anthony from Park Slope says:
The thing that bothers me more than anything is the environmental impact of this business. The use of plastic cups instead of washable glassware sends massive amounts of plastic to the landfills. This is a wreckless, careless, and selfish move on the owner's part and something that is easily remedied.
July 30, 2012, 10:05 am
Ed from WT says:
Lots of overreacting by pathetic souls who would complain about anything. How about all the plastic at Pinkberry and the 15 coffee shops in park slope that serve iced coffee in them? Yeah, hypocrite. You only don't like plastic when it's not a yuppie induced organic, vegan place, huh?
July 30, 2012, 11:38 am
Alicia from South Slope says:
They definitely need to make a bigger bathroom in this place and install porta-potties. The line for the bathroom in here usually goes across the whole bar. It doesn't surprise me that people are peeing on the streets because no one wants to wait for the bathroom. But stopping people from having sex on the street, I'm not sure that much can be done about that...
July 30, 2012, 11:44 am
Doubt from Brooklyn Heights says:
I seriously doubt sex wasnt occuring nearly at the same volume as before in this neighborhood. If you are young and cant have it at home, what's an ideal place to go? A neighborhood that had a cemetery. Easy parking, with low volume traffic and not many pedestrians.
The uptick in sex is what's called summer vacation.
July 30, 2012, 11:57 am
ty from pps says:
And they're using condoms...
July 30, 2012, 12:26 pm
Liz from Soslo says:
If you didn't notice that people were having sex down here WAY BEFORE the beer garden opened, you're a BLIND IDIOT!

And yea, porta potties would smell MUCH BETTER than a little pee on the sidewalk. Are you all total morons? You want a porta potty, what...out on 7th Avenue?
July 30, 2012, 12:35 pm
Lindsay from gwood says:
You don't buy an overpriced condo across from a massive Auto Body Shop (now a lovely beer garden) and get to complain about it. If you didn't realize that an abandoned Auto Body Shop might become something besides 1 million dollar condos someday, you simply are not very smart and shouldn't be buying real estate in the first place.

This beer garden is about the most fun thing to come to the neighborhood in years, maybe ever. We go (and take the kids) almost every weekend. Seems to be a major hit with most people but there's always a vocal minority who try to ruin it for everyone else.

Move somewhere besides the largest city in the U.S. if you want to cuddle your cats in silence for the rest of your life.
July 30, 2012, 12:48 pm
Ron from ten blocks south of 20th Street says:
One word: pahr-tay!
July 30, 2012, 1:11 pm
Jeff from Greenwood Heights says:
The place took so long because it needed rezoning and permits and the like. Nobody actually expected it to be a beer garden (or anything more than something automotive-related). But aside from the condos, there are numerous families that have lived across/within the perimeter for years (decades, even) that now feel the negative impact that Greenwood Park brings.

So, Lindsay, next time you bring your kids to the beer garden (which has pretty much ruined any fun myself and others have at the place, thanks), consider that it's not just people buying overpriced condos, but people that grew up in the area and now have to deal with both children and overgrown children. If you can't see that, you're not very smart and shouldn't be commenting in the first place.
July 30, 2012, 1:16 pm
Mayor for life from Gracie Mansion says:
Dont worry, after I ban large sodas and cars, I'm going to
ban alcohol and public sex, but I'm going to need to buy another term in office first.
July 30, 2012, 1:21 pm
Ed from WT says:
Jeff,

So if the place is so overrun with kids that it's now ruined your fun, is the sex and public urination happening with the children around? You sound rather irrational.

People who think NYC stays the same forever are clearly not from NYC and shouldn't be commenting, period.
July 30, 2012, 1:32 pm
Liz from Bklyn says:
The condos across from here are the ugliest pieces of garbage I've seen in a while, so guessing that whoever lives there didn't really do homework on many fronts...
July 30, 2012, 1:42 pm
Big D from The Terrace says:
If you can get over the fence of the cemetery to have sex - you deserve it. Congrats!
July 30, 2012, 3:45 pm
Rufus Leaking from BH says:
Plastic cups are more environmentaly friendly than glass that is reused, but takes 3 - 5 time it's volume to wash and rinse.
July 30, 2012, 5:29 pm
Jbob from Slope says:
There was a vocal handful of folks against this place before it even opened and they're still vocal, thats news? Neighborhoods change, thats the history of NYC, if you live near commercial space you'll be impacted as it changes hands. I find it strange you'd want an auto body, not exactly the most aesthetic or environmentally sensitive business over a nice beer garden.

That being said, I can't see any reason why this place would create so much more problems for the neighborhood than the several dozen other bars not that far away and the owner appears willing to work to minimize it.

As for the cups, well you haven't been to many beer gardens, most have them because the chance of broken glass is so much higher and a potential liability issue.

July 30, 2012, 5:31 pm
j from slope says:
We have to be vocal because otherwise noone would listen.How would you like to walk to your car one night to find some drunk relieving himself on it?This happened this past weekend to one lucky soul who parked his vehicle to have a drink at greenwood park.The drunks response was"its a bmw thats why"Real Classy!!
July 30, 2012, 5:57 pm
K. from ArKady says:
Those damn drunks are disturbing my dressage horses! Can't we... DO something about Them?
July 30, 2012, 6:35 pm
Rufus Leaking from BH says:
"its a bmw thats why"

He is the 99%!

The funny part is, is that the 99% here, is the 1% in the world!
July 30, 2012, 7:36 pm
Pedarast from Radegast says:
Why they using condoms
July 30, 2012, 9:15 pm
VFBirkin from Ditmas Park says:
Good point. I like to bareback when I take boys into the cemetery.
July 30, 2012, 11:07 pm
Jerry from Up the block says:
Thanks for the reporting Natalie -- as it turns out, I am surprised noone has mentioned the parking - I have a car and its increasingly difficult to find parking as it is in this area, but with all the newly brought attention to our blocks, parking is nearly impossible now..

The other stuff is gross - but my biggest gripe with the garden is the noisy idiots leaving past 10pm...I get up for work early, the last thing I need is a bunch of drunks yelling, dancing, singing in the streets on their way home - EVERY NIGHT.
July 31, 2012, 12:16 am
Liz from bk says:
Wait, but I thought it was just babies and kids there?
July 31, 2012, 11:08 am
Corpseman from Greenwood Cemetery says:
It's even worse than everyone says..last night , a drunken necrophiliac literally jumped my bones!
July 31, 2012, 12:28 pm
Ted from Windsor Terrace says:
Sounds great. Every neighborhood should have a giant urinal.
July 31, 2012, 12:33 pm
David from Bed-Stuy says:
Damn, sounds like I gotta get down to Greenwood Heights to get in on the action.
July 31, 2012, 2:09 pm
Crawford from South Slope says:
The claims of public "relations" are BS.

That was happening on that block 20 years ago. If anything, there's a lot less of that stuff now that the blocks are no longer empty at night.
July 31, 2012, 3:24 pm
JJ from PS says:
This place has decent beer selection but the crowd of people that turns up is just awful. How much more gentrification is needed before these dolts are pushed out of Brooklyn all together.
July 31, 2012, 3:34 pm
Jennifer from southslope says:
JJ:

Who are you to judge who is and is not acceptable for Brooklyn? What exactly is someone who wants to go get some beers with friends doing to you that would make you whine about it on a blog? I guarantee you those that go to have a good time aren't sitting around judging you.

You have no right, you are no better than anyone else. I'm so curious what constitutes an "awful crowd" by your standards. Luckily, no one cares. But it's a curious thing to know what makes you think you're special so we can all berate you for your idiocy.

Maybe YOU should move outside Brooklyn! Last I checked, we didn't need to run anything by you or anyone else!
July 31, 2012, 3:46 pm
JJ from PS says:
I'm generally for new development as it seems to price out loud mouth apes like Jennifer but this bar seems cater her kind. I imagine once the police receive enough complaints, a crack down on drunk driving in the area will ensue. Considering the closest subway is the 15th street F/G, that might deter enough of the filth from showing up. Hopefully this dump is closed within the year.
July 31, 2012, 4:02 pm
BunnynSunny from The Hill says:
Just because you go to a bar, doesn't mean you have to act like sex-crazed maniac, peeing all over everybody on the street and tossing your condoms like a monkey tosses its poo at innocent standers by!!
July 31, 2012, 4:17 pm
Diane from Greenwood Heights says:
I was looking forward to a neighborhood beer garden. The architecture is pretty cool and the noon til 7 pm
$3 beer is great however the self-entitled parents who treat it as a playground are going to ruin it for everyone. Yesterday I witnessed a small child fall backwards off a wooden platform into gravel. Amazingly, Dad didn't even notice ..... it's going to take a fractured skull or worse for these idiots to realize that this is not the appropriate venue for their precious little children. Buy a six pack and stay home or hire a babysitter.
July 31, 2012, 4:34 pm
DeAnne from parkslope says:
I saw condoms and people pissing on that block well before any beer garden showed up. You people are looney tunes.
July 31, 2012, 4:39 pm
AL from Slope says:
LOL Diane. You're at a beer garden near Park Slope, are you really complaining about kids? Park Slope is a family neighborhood and their are parents with kids everywhere. Get over it or move somewhere else.
July 31, 2012, 4:40 pm
Liz from gwood says:
Not to mention that the owner himself is marketing the place to parents with kids during the day, and more of the 20 and 30 somethings during the night. The kids are all gone by 7/8pm. Get over yourself, Diane. You sound miserable with a capital M.
July 31, 2012, 4:45 pm
Diane from Greenwood Heights says:
I've lived in Park Slope for 25 years and no, I'm not moving and I'm not miserable. I happen to like kids ....
well-behaved and supervised children. You are not "entitled" to infringe your children's behavior on others ....it's a BEER garden ....those of us without children should be able to enjoy it as well ...before and after your curfew.
July 31, 2012, 5:34 pm
Liz from gwood says:
If you've lived in Park Slope for 25 years, why is your tagline "Diane from Greenwood Heights"

If you've lived in Park Slope for 25 years, you'd know that Greenwood Heights is a made up name by brokers from a few years ago.

Last few times I've been to Greenwood, the owner and I spoke and he welcomed our kids and told us that he intended it to be a place for parents to bring kids during the day. Did you think they open at 12 everyday for all the unemployed single people in the neighborhood to drink?
July 31, 2012, 5:41 pm
Diane says:
You're right, he opens early so Mom's and Dad's can get a buzz on early in order to deal with their unruly kids. You're ridiculous. I've lived in Park Slope and recently moved to what has always been Greenwood Heights, do your homework. ENOUGH!!!!!!
July 31, 2012, 5:56 pm
Ted from Windsor Terrace says:
Gee, what happened to the good old days when the parent was responsible for the nurturing and education of their offspring, and what contribution does dragging them to a beer hall have to that end? An early introduction to socialization, perhaps, or maybe it's a modern day lack of concern for adolesent welfare. Perhaps next patrons will be dodging strollers in topless bars.
July 31, 2012, 7:21 pm
Carrie from Windsor Terrace says:
Greenwood Heights is certainly a name recently made up by brokers. Anyone who lived in the area would know that.
Also, the people complaining about noise really have to move to the suburbs. I mean don't tell me you moved to Brooklyn for the peace and quiet, get serious.
July 31, 2012, 9:15 pm
Tony from BoroPark says:
Was this n'hood used to be called Pill Hill. You can still pick up a deck of heroin over there on Webster Place, and detox off it on the methadone clinic on 19th Street.

This place has always been gritty.
July 31, 2012, 11:57 pm
Captain Obvious from Brooklyn says:
The protests are only giving them free publicity. You would have been better of ignoring the bar and letting it go out of business. Now, it has received attention and more people will be curious to try it out.
Aug. 1, 2012, 10:06 am
Jessica Black Bird from Dumbo Heights says:
They're nothing but a bunch of loud, childish, unintelligent, incompetent, pompous warmongers!!
Aug. 1, 2012, 3:02 pm
Ted from Windsor Terrace says:
Jessica, who ya talkin about, the Taliban?
Aug. 1, 2012, 6:29 pm
Ray from Brooklyn says:
Better make sure that you're wearing protection, or else you'll end up with a toddler and the subject of another exposé piece...

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/a-child-friendly-beer-garden-doesnt-seem-so-friendly-to-some/?smid=fb-share
Aug. 2, 2012, 12:43 pm
Ruth from Slope says:
I think Liza has a pizza face - not good
Aug. 2, 2012, 1:36 pm
Gwendolyn from Billyburg says:
I take my kids to the Beer Garden. It's big and they love running around. Period. People just need to be more considerate since children ARE allowed. And please, there is no need to use foul language at all. Keep it clean. I really like this place and my kids love to color there. Let's keep it this way for all parents.
Aug. 3, 2012, 5:53 pm
God from Above you says:
parents who take their kids to beer gardens should be put in concentration camps and ultimately gassed - the kids should be forced into foster care - they would wind up better raised.
Aug. 4, 2012, 9:48 pm
thomas from southslope says:
there is something strange about this beer garden. a cross between a frat party, the jersey shore (the actual place) and the googamooga crowd. i ventured there on a friday night. somehow patrons here have a special license to be loud and rowdy as heck. i agree with the plastic cups comment too. aside from wastefulness, nothing tastes nice in a plastic cup! the simple decor and layout seem well thought out but here the cons outweighed the pros. and i didn't even venture into the bathroom.

i'm glad i tried it, but it's not the place for me. reading these comments reinforces my opinion. perhaps others will enjoy it.
Aug. 9, 2012, 2:06 pm
Michael from South Slope says:
People will always find something to complain about...

I've been living in this neighborhood for years and trust me there was no b*tching online about all the dog sh!t and teenagers vandalizing the neighborhood.

Dog sh!t > human piss
Teenage crime > bar noise

Suck it up all you whiners. This is a vast improvement.
Aug. 10, 2012, 9:56 am
noneya from brooklyn says:
its ok to pee there..walk one block to the cemetery and dont pee on any cars. its hard to reach a grave anyway so u r safe there. as for the sex...do u really think the beer garden had anything to do with that? these people whine about the ice cream man ..go away
Aug. 20, 2012, 4:29 pm

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