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Metropolitan Avenue is too dangerous, neighbors say

The Brooklyn Paper

The Bushwick street where a hit-and-run driver killed cyclist Terence Connor last week must be tamed before it takes another life, neighbors and mourning family members say.

A growing number of bike riders are joining big rigs on Metropolitan Avenue, changing the demographics of a truck route that feels more accommodating to 18-wheelers than two-wheelers. But critics say the street’s wide layout encourages speeding, and the lack of a bike lane leaves cyclists fending for themselves on the four-lane section near Stewart Avenue, where a driver struck the 26-year-old musician and left him bleeding on the asphalt early on Oct. 1.

“There should be a bike lane, more cameras, a stop sign, something,” said Connor’s cousin Tara McQueen. “Why isn’t there a bike lane on every road?”

Police are still hunting the motorist who struck Connor — a drummer in the psychedelic garage band Total Slacker.

The fatality comes at a corner that played host to four vehicular crashes in August, the last month for which the cycling advocacy group Transportation Alternatives has records.

The Department of Transportation says there have been no fatal traffic accidents at the intersection since 2006.

And even though it cuts through a largely industrial neighborhood, the road is increasingly popular with bicyclists traveling to and from Bushwick: on a recent morning, more than ten bicyclists passed by the intersection of Metropolitan and Stewart avenues in less than 15 minutes.

Bushwick residents say the city could make Metropolitan Avenue safer for cyclists by adding more traffic signals — and better enforcing the rules of the road.

The corner of Stewart Avenue boasts a stoplight, but the nearby intersections of Scott and Varick avenues do not.

“There is too much commercial traffic and not enough lights,” said neighbor Diana Munoz. “People run through red lights all the time. It’s not going to get any better.”

Connor’s Total Slacker bandmate, Tucker Rountree, says the city must bolster its bicycle accessibility as economic realities force more Brooklynites to treat bikes as their main mode of transit.

“Only a certain amount of people can afford unlimited subway rides,” said Rountree, who himself was hit by a car on Metropolitan and Bedford avenues four years ago. “I hope this city can live up to its progressive attitude and someday make bike lanes as prevalent as auto lanes.”

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Common Sense from Brooklyn says:
Stop biking there!!!!
Oct. 8, 2012, 8:28 am
manhatposeur from brokelandia says:
the problem is that these truck drivers and even a good number of automobile drivers do ono consdier cyclist human.
It is utter disrespect for human life that boils my blood.
Connor and Lefreve did not deserve to get killed for riding their bikes and no where was it said or proven they were riding recklessly.
Oct. 8, 2012, 8:31 am
David from Greenpoint says:
There is barely room for cars/trucks on Metropolitan. No way they can add a bike lane barring getting rid of parking which would be bad for business.
Oct. 8, 2012, 10:13 am
Mike from Williamsburg says:
The condition of the pavement on Metropolitan is also so much worse than on Grand St. Probably because of the trucks.
Oct. 8, 2012, 10:28 am
ty from pps says:
This street sees waaaaay to many accidents, period. This doesn't have to be a source of the usual bicycles-are-the-problem rants.
Oct. 8, 2012, 11:37 am
SwampYankee from runined Brooklyn says:
so they found the driver, they found a witness and they determined that the driver was completely at fault? No? Didn't think so. Street is barley wide enough for cars, much less trucks. Bicycles don't belong here. Bike elsewhere. It's dangerous here. To do it in the dark without a helmet is just irresponsible. Go on and tell me how wrong I am. Then consider that who is dead and who is not. Bicycles simply don't belong in some places. This is one of those places.
Oct. 8, 2012, 1:11 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I think it would be better if bicycles just stayed off major thoroughfares altogether. There is a reason why it has always been found to be a bad idea to place bike lanes on there. Making the lanes thinner will just make traffic worse rather than better, and that has been proven all over the city. While I give my condolences to that cyclists who was killed there, I would like to know why he was there in the first place. Exactly, why was it better for him to go through that area rather than avoid it? What's really interesting is that this article gives no mention of what caused the accident, which does leave me to expect that the cyclist placed himself into harm's way, though I am not saying that he had it coming and got what he deserved for it.
Oct. 8, 2012, 1:22 pm
matthew kime from metropolitan ave says:
cyclists deserve safe streets as well. the city should make efforts to make traffic safer. there are no excuses.
Oct. 8, 2012, 3:10 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Cyclists deserve safe streets. But not EVERY street can be safe for cyclists. This was a street that is not safe for cyclists. it was a really bad idea to be riding on this street, in the dark, without a helmet.
Oct. 8, 2012, 3:34 pm
Mike from Williamsburg says:
Swamp, if the road isn't wide enough for trucks, trucks shouldn't be on it. The road's wide enough for bikes.

I disagree when you say not every street can be safe for cyclists. That's plainly false. Maybe "not every street is safe" or "not every street should be made safe." We don't really need to make the BQE safe for cyclists. But a street through a neighborhood should be made safe if it isn't safe now.
Oct. 8, 2012, 3:39 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklny says:
Trucks are necessary for the economy, bicycles are not. How do you think all the stuff gets into stores? how does the garbage get picked up? How do the fires get put out? How sick people get to hospitals? Bicycles? Be serious. Metropolitan Ave is already way over crowded, but the trucks don't have access to every street. I propose the same for bicycles. Stay off the dangerous streets. I ask again, who was the loser here?
Oct. 8, 2012, 4:57 pm
Scott from Park Slope says:
SwampYankee, for once I agree with you: riding in the dark with no helmet is a bad idea. It doesn't take much at all to turn a minor bump into a life-altering head injury.
Oct. 8, 2012, 6:10 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Just today on the NY Times, there were letters saying why it's better for adult cyclists to be wearing helmets rather than going without them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/08/opinion/bike-helmets-for-the-common-good.html?ref=opinion
Oct. 8, 2012, 6:25 pm
Commoner Sense from Brooklyn says:
Stop driving there!!!!
Oct. 8, 2012, 6:42 pm
Bill from Bronx says:
Swamp Yankee, you're a douchebag.
Oct. 8, 2012, 8:25 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Bill,
Well reasoned, articulate argument. I really like the way you subtly, but intelligently, refuted each key point with logic and reason. That mind of yours is a steel trap. Would you go grab some crayons so you could express yourself further?
Oct. 8, 2012, 8:48 pm
not Bushwick from any says:
That stretch of Metropolitan ave, east of the homonymous bridge is really wide. It is some sort of industrial wasteland with speeding truck.
It is actually not Buswick (which lies south of Flushing ave) but the connection between Maspeth Queens and East Williamsburg.
Oct. 8, 2012, 8:55 pm
mike from GP says:
Every street should be safe for ALL users, whatever that takes. Nobody should lose a life because they took the "wrong" form of transportation.
Oct. 8, 2012, 9:25 pm
Billy from DaBurg says:
Saying that some streets shouldn't allow bikes is absolute crap, unless it is a clearly marked road strictly for high speed vehicles and is also completely separated from sidewalks and pedestrians as well. We have a name for them: HIGHWAYS. Also EXPRESSWAYS.

City streets are neither. Even the few defined truck routes have speed limits of 30 mph and below, not what some knuckle-dragger behind a wheel "thinks he can handle." Truckers and drivers who are confused on that point should have their licenses yanked.
Oct. 8, 2012, 10:46 pm
Marija from Williamsburg says:
Metropolitan Ave is very convenient for cyclists since it cuts through Brooklyn AND Queens straight line, and connects very well with other "major" streets (e.g. GRAND ST, Flushing, Bushwick Ave, etc.). Do you realize that Grand St that HAS bike lanes merges directly into Metropolitan Ave, and that many people just continue riding along Metropolitan... I bike all the time and everywhere in the city; I have also biked many times along Metropolitan Ave, but this summer, I decided to start avoiding it. It is THE ONLY street in Brooklyn that I am literary avoiding! Biking there id too risky. DOT, how can you allow all those trucks to drive at such high speed through such a narrow street (for the most part) and through densely populated neighborhoods???!!!! MAKE THE BIKE LANES THERE NOW AND DIRECT CARGO TRAFFIC ELSEWHERE, PLEASE!
Marija
Oct. 9, 2012, 12:22 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Marija,
Since you do not seem to be able to read through the whole thread I will repost:
"Trucks are necessary for the economy, bicycles are not. How do you think all the stuff gets into stores? how does the garbage get picked up? How do the fires get put out? How sick people get to hospitals? Bicycles? Be serious. Metropolitan Ave is already way over crowded, but the trucks don't have access to every street. I propose the same for bicycles. Stay off the dangerous streets. I ask again, who was the loser here?"

The city's economy needs trucks. It does not need bikes. bikes are nice, but not on this street. It has been this was for almost 100 years. It will be this way for the rest of your life. Metropolitan is a necessary truck artery. I know you want things your way, but is never, ever ,ever going to happen. It's simple so once again: THE CITY'S ECONOMY NEEDS TRUCKS. IT DOES NOT NEED BIKES. repeat until you understand
Oct. 9, 2012, 6:38 am
Jude from Brooklyn says:
SwampYankee,
You are like a petulant child, if you say something loud and often enough, it does not just make it true. The city's economy needs trucks but it needs bikes too. What about the bike share that will be employing 2,000 people? The bike messengers? Delivery people? Bike shops? Bike riders work, pay taxes, and want to live in a city where the government cares that people have lain dying, bleeding in the street. There are things they can do and to use a defense like "It has been this was for almost 100 years. It will be this way for the rest of your life," is ridiculous. There are a lot of completely unacceptable things that have been in place for much longer than a hundred years that people have strove to change, comparably, this seems like a pretty easy one.
Oct. 9, 2012, 7:59 am
Pat I. from 70's Brooklyn says:
It's a tragedy that anyone has to lose their life by simply riding a bicycle.

But Swamp Yankee is correct in his argument. Bikes serve the individual. Trucks serve the community. As someone who has ridden a bike while carrying groceries
AND unloaded tractor trailers for a living (by hand) I can safely say that the amount of goods transported by a semi is astounding.

At the risk of sounding like an S.O.B. there is a level of personal responsibility here. As a child I rode my bike all over Brooklyn. The vehicles were bigger, drivers were more careless (although now you have texting, phonecalls etc to distract you).

Accidents were a rarity in my neighborhood. Because we did not bike where traffic was bad and we understood traffic laws. Hell..in PHILYY my nine year old got nailed by bike going the wrong way and ridden by a guy in skinny jeans and a Peter Pan hat. he was texting while riding down a busy street - arestaurant and bar district during mid morning with all sorts of vehicles making deliveries.

The issue here is the fact that people move to an established area with a holier than though/more enlightened than you attitude and immediately want everyone to bend to their will.

If the biking advocates want their precious biking space than maybe every single business should be located in one area conveniently located to all of Brooklyn. Then we'll see how wonderful biking is when you have to haul a weeks groceries on a bike for 5 miles.

A little commonsense is needed. I think it's dangerous to have biking in ANY business district.
Oct. 9, 2012, 8:25 am
Pat I. from 70's Brooklyn says:
http://gothamist.com/2012/10/08/1555_in_fines_from_biking_in_willia.php#photo-1
Oct. 9, 2012, 8:30 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Jude,
What you've just said ... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone reading is now dumber for having read it. May God have mercy on your soul If the bikes go away the bike shop owners go away. Perhaps a few dozen jobs lost. you speak of crumbs. The city does not need bicycles. Messengers can use the subways. So if we do away with bikes my Chinese food is a few minutes late and perhaps 72,000 baristas and unpaid ART ART ART ART ART blogging interns have to take the subway to work. Big deal. Bikes are a nice, SMALL, alternative mode of transportation. Today is a perfect example. A bit cold and drizzly. All the subways, the LIRR, MetroNorth, PATH, trucks, cars and buses transport folks to and around the city, but the spandex bunch has chosen other modes of transportation because I work in downtown Brooklyn and I have seen exactingly 3 bicycles this morning. 3! I just saw 3 trucks while writing this sentence. Grow up and stop being obsessed with toys. This is the real world, in areal city, with a real economy. Tired of you transplants moving from Weasel Taint, Iowa and tell the adults how to run the place.
Oct. 9, 2012, 9:59 am
Tony T from Bushwick says:
What bikers need to realize is that they have as much right to the road as cars do regardless of bike lanes. The safest place to ride your bike, when there's no bike lane, is right in the middle of the road. Hugging the right side of the road is very dangerous.

Having said that, bikers need to also realize they need to obey traffic laws the same as cars.

Having said that, it is inhumane and illegal to hit anyone and not stop. The NYPD need to pursue and prosecute these drivers involved in hit and runs. Until they do, drivers can excuse their blood thirsty behavior.
Oct. 9, 2012, 10:20 am
Oliver from Sunset Park says:
Yes, all the people who ride bikes for a living, or who commute by bicycle contribute nothing to the economy.

Bicycles are not toys for everyone, for some of us, even some of us who are not baristas or art bloggers, they are our main mode of transportation, even in the rain and cold weather. Some of us do not have convenient or affordable other options, and still need to get to work every day. And we deserve safe streets. No one is asking for a ban on trucking - obviously it's necessary, but there should be safety improvements. Safety improvements have never stopped trucks from making their deliveries. Your argument is fallacious.

Everyone deserves safe usage of the streets, and it is possible.
Oct. 9, 2012, 10:25 am
Common Sense from Brooklyn says:
The day bikes start respecting the rules of the road and start paying insurance is the day they should be taken more serious. Biking is a mode of transportation for some, but you should put your life in danger by jumping into the lion's den.

Using bikes as a recreational activity is perfectly fine, but do it in a safe place, like the park. Stay off the roads that the cars and trucks are using. It's just not safe.

As far as saying we need to do more for the bikers, NO WE DON'T! They aren't generating revenue for the city, if they want to bike, them do it but at their own risk.

Lower your risk by avoiding streets like Metropolitan.
Oct. 9, 2012, 10:35 am
Sarah from Brooklyn says:
SwampYankee,
Dont tell us what the 'real world' is and what it is to be an adult when your retort is a Billy Madison quote and you refer to the victim of this hit and run as a "loser".
Oct. 9, 2012, 10:41 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Sarah, no, it's not an exact quote, sorry. Certainly read and influence, but no a direct quote. There are more than a few Churchill quotes that would apply to your shrew like persona but I'll just use a more common retort: "somewhere a tree is making oxygen for you. you should apologize to it".
As to the "loser" point. I stand by it when taken in the context it was written. Man decides to cycle, in the dark, on a poorly paved, bus, truck and car route, without a helmet. Although it has not been determined if he was actually struck by a vehicle, fell off his bicycle, or struck a vehicle he still lost. He lost his life. What is the definition of someone who has lost something Sarah? Come on? You are so very well versed in English provide the definitive noun for someone who has lost something? Since you are too worthless and weak to say it I will say it again. Please become familiar wit the term. It applies to those who have also lost an internet argument..... Sarah, the word is LOSER
Oct. 9, 2012, 11:01 am
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Oliver,
Every street can not be made safe for cyclists. It's not practical or necessary. I'd suggest a ride down New Utrect Avenue or Metropolitan Avenue as good examples in Brooklyn. There are parts of Flatbush, Atlantic, and plenty of others that are just too dangerous. Have at it if you must, but don't be surprised at what happens. Since I have someone checking my quotes today I offer another more famous one: "whether the pitcher hits the rock or the rock hits the pitcher, it is bad for the pitcher"
Oct. 9, 2012, 11:08 am
Oliver from Sunset Park says:
Wow SwampYankee, condescending and misogynistic much? jeez.
Oct. 9, 2012, 11:12 am
Oliver from Sunset Park says:
I didn't say that the streets are CURRENTLY SAFE - I said that they SHOULD be made safe - for all users. There is no practical reason why unsafe streets need to remain so.
Oct. 9, 2012, 11:13 am
Ian from 11211 says:
Look, there are people who are too fat and lazy to ride a bike, and for them, oversized trucks are more valuable bringing in their sugar and corn syrup than are the lives of bicyclists.

The broader problem here is that these are not just trucks making local deliveries, or picking up goods from local warehouses. These are trucks speeding through the residential neighborhoods on either side of the warehouse district, trying to shave a few minutes off their trip. Many of the trucks barreling along Metropolitan Avenue are interstate carriers and have nothing to do with local deliveries.
Oct. 9, 2012, 11:54 am
Marija from Williamsburg says:
Exactly! I have no problem with delivery trucks, and yes, those trucks are speeding as if they can't wait to get out of NYC.
I think that bikes are incredibly important for this City, for it's economy, environment, tourism, people's health, an overall IT IS THE FASTEST WAY OF GETTING AROUND THE CITY.

Metropolitan Ave is just so unique in it's convenience, because, if you, for example want to get from Park Slope/Fort Green/Williamsbur/name the BK neighborhood, up to Forest Hills, you will have to (sooner or later) ride on the Metropolitan Ave, it's hard to avoid it, and there are no parallel streets that you can take to ride along it.

Of course, subways would take forever, and bus service thee (as elsewhere) is super slow. It is one of the places where City really needs to provide bike lanes.
Oct. 9, 2012, 12:15 pm
Marija from Williamsburg says:
and have some respect for the guy who got killed there. Keep in mind that it was a hit-and-run accident, which should tell you something about the "pitcher and the rock" a-holl.
Oct. 9, 2012, 12:25 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
I apologize to everyone on this thread for being such a grump. I'm just so mad that I'm no longer relevant in this world so I take it out on everyone who has any kind of success, dreams, or creativity. I never was able to move out of my mother's basement and she constantly catches me pleasing myself since I never met/been with a woman. Again, I apologize.
Oct. 9, 2012, 2:29 pm
S from PPW says:
If the cyclist is a doctor or a teacher, he serves the community. If the trucker is hauling cheap crap from China, who does that serve? What if the bike is carrying a hedge fund manger who makes billions and the truck is hauling cigarette cartons?

Until we start polling people and asking them why they ride a bike, drive a car, or what they have in their truck, the idea that only trucks can serve the community is ridiculous.
Oct. 9, 2012, 2:51 pm
Pat I. from 70's Brooklyn says:
S-

it doesn't matter who's on the bike. Trucks make deliveries. It's an efficient method of transportation. Whether it's cigarettes, chewtoys or artisanal yak cheese
(OK that would probably be delivered by bicycle) or medical supplies the geography is not conducive to biking. PERIOD. It's easy in the suburbs where you have 10 foot setbacks on the roads. But you can move brownstones or sidewalks.

Bikers are militant. They want every square inch of the city accessible by bikes and they don't want to abide by the rules. I haven't seen a "biker Killed" article where the commentors automatically wanted the driver strung up, drawn and quartered.

Meanwhile....we can talk about pedestrians who have been seriously injured by bikers who run red lights, text while riding and essentially are scofflaws.
Oct. 9, 2012, 3:54 pm
Oliver from Sunset Park says:
Pat-
Biking is also an efficient method of transportation. A method that is just as valid as trucking - yes, for different reasons and purposes, but still just as valid.

Every square inch of city streets (excepting of course highways and expressways) should be accessible to cyclists, because our roadways should be safe for all users - and believing that does not make me militant.

Making gross generalizations and calling cyclists "scofflaws" doesn't change the fact that cyclists have the right to safely use the roads. Therefore, roads which create unsafe situations should be improved.
Oct. 9, 2012, 4:39 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I take it some have no idea what defines a major thoroughfare. These are roads where most of businesses are located throughout the blocks. Such roads are known for having tons of traffic on them constantly and definitely a lot of commercial traffic for those said business. If you asked me, such roads are not safe for bicycles. Squeezing the lanes can actually force trucks to double park in travel lanes, which can lead to numerous back ups. Then again, for Bloomberg, that will probably be a great way to promote congestion pricing by creating the very congestion itself. Seriously, I think it's a bad idea to have bicycles on streets that happen to be truck routes, because that's really going into harm's way. BTW, there are plenty of streets and even highways that trucks are not allowed to use themselves, so who is really being limited here? Again, I am not saying that the cyclist who got killed by a trucker deserved it, but he should have been more cautious. When cyclists ride as if the rules don't apply to them, they did sort of sign their own death warrant. The reason why trucks are still needed is because they can make deliveries in one trip due to having such space compared to bicycles that would have to make several for that.
Oct. 9, 2012, 5:20 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Why don't you reread what you wrote. Here, I'll cut and paste it for you.

"Again, I am not saying that the cyclist who got killed by a trucker deserved it, but he should have been more cautious. When cyclists ride as if the rules don't apply to them, they did sort of sign their own death warrant."

Do you see how "Again, I am not saying that the cyclist who got killed by a trucker deserved it..." doesn't seem to match the rest of what you say?

You actually took special effort here to BLAME the dead person. You say he is not cautious enough... not the driver's fault in the least. The cyclist was not cautious. Second, you have decided that the dead man was also being unlawful. Hmm. Interesting. So, the cyclist didn't deserve to die? Because it sounds like you may actually think the opposite.

(The rest of your comment is just the usual stupid crap based on nothing)
Oct. 9, 2012, 5:45 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, until it's said how the accident actually happened, there can be many theories, but I won't be surprised if he did place himself into harm's way by flouting the laws, so cut the personal attacks already.
Oct. 9, 2012, 6:38 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Stop saying things like "I am not saying the cyclist deserved to die" when that is EXACTLY what you are saying.
Oct. 9, 2012, 6:41 pm
gimme from yours says:
it's new york city, biking is supposed to be dangerous, nut up or shut up
Oct. 9, 2012, 6:55 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Oliver,
how do you figure "misogynistic". I don't think you know what that word means. Please point out where I was specifically misogynistic.
Oct. 9, 2012, 7:40 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Marija, Would you please provide your source that proves this was a hit and run? Any facts to back up that big wide assertion? No? Didn't think so.
Oct. 9, 2012, 7:41 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, how about we wait for the real story to come up, because this article doesn't doesn't even say how he got it? I have read the article, and there is absolutely nothing about it. Maybe he was following the rules or maybe he wasn't, but until we get the real story, we will just never know how it all happened. I still don't get why he chose to go on a truck route when there were many other roads that were much safer than this. Honestly, saying that one goes into harm's way isn't wishing for anyone death, it just means that they did something that might be either crazy, insane, or even dangerous in that matter. Putting words in my mouth that I didn't even say isn't helping your side, but I know what to expect from a bike zealot such as yourself. I wouldn't be surprise if you pray everyday for my death, so now you know how I feel.
Oct. 9, 2012, 7:42 pm
Marija from Williamsburg says:
This comment from "gimme from yours" is probably the stupidest comment I've seen here.
Oct. 9, 2012, 7:43 pm
Marija from Williamsburg says:
This comment from "gimme from yours" is probably the stupidest comment I've seen here.
Oct. 9, 2012, 7:44 pm
Marija from Williamsburg says:
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn, did the person who hit the biker surrender himself/herself? You obviously have some problem with your reasoning.
Oct. 9, 2012, 7:46 pm
Oliver from Sunset Park says:
Swamp,
Maybe it's just me and maybe I'm incorrect in my assumptions, but when I read sentences like,

"Since you are too worthless and weak to say it I will say it again."

directed at a woman (sorry if I am assuming too much when I guess that Sarah is a woman), it sounds more than a little sexist to me, and when I take all of the condescending and insulting comments in your response to Sarah (still a woman - right?), it adds up to misogyny to me.

But, maybe I'm wrong and your just an equal opportunity ass.
Oct. 9, 2012, 8:12 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Oliver,
Married with 3 daughters. Sorry, I believe you brought your own baggage to the party. What I said was gender neutral, perhaps you are reading something of yourself into it?
Oct. 9, 2012, 8:26 pm
SwampYankee from ruined Brooklyn says:
Marija,
you continue to be ignorant of the actual event. NYPD is not even sure if the rider was struck by a vehicle, struck a vehicle, or just fell down and hit his head. I did already post this info so perhaps you want to go back and catch up on this thread before you start typing in ignorance again. If you have proof that the victim was even struck by a vehicle please post that proof. I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you
Oct. 9, 2012, 8:30 pm
S from PPW says:
"I haven't seen a "biker Killed" article where the commentors automatically wanted the driver strung up, drawn and quartered."

Yes, imagine the nerve of those militant cyclists, demanding justice for dead New Yorkers in the face of an apathetic NYPD. What gall!
Oct. 9, 2012, 8:31 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- I think you mean...

"Maybe he was following the rules or maybe he wasn't, but until we get the real story, I will assume he was flouting the law and he deserved to die."

Right?
Oct. 9, 2012, 8:51 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
The point of that is when you place yourself into harm's way, you can expect to be harmed hence the term. Another way to place it is playing with fire, because you will know that you will get burned. One thing is that I can never understand why there are cyclists who put themselves at such a risk rather than act responsibly when they do such an act. Even if there was a bike lane, I doubt it would be any different seeing how so many bike zealots use it as their get out of jail free card. Overall, bike lanes don't belong on a truck route, and that will be going into harm's way if that ever happens.
Oct. 9, 2012, 9:02 pm
oldtime nrooklyn from slope says:
comical - just get guns and ammo
Oct. 9, 2012, 9:10 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Your understanding of "act responsibly" is perverse (מעוות).
Oct. 9, 2012, 9:33 pm
Tony T. from Bushwick says:
So what about when people are walking? Should they not walk on the sidewalks or cross the street because "they should know it's not safe?"

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8837092

This guy wasn't even charged (see link). NYPD must hold drivers accountable or things will never change.

Where you at on this one @SwampYankee?!?! Explain the difference between the pedestrians that got hit and the biker who died for us please?
Oct. 9, 2012, 10:14 pm
Tony T from Bushwick says:
What about you Tal Barzilai?

Care to comment on what the difference between the pedestrians that got hit and the guy on the bike?

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8837092
Oct. 9, 2012, 10:16 pm
Oliver from Sunset Park says:
Swamp-

Sorry, I didn't read your critique as gender neutral, because your remarks were directed specifically to a woman.

So, using your argument that you can't be misogynistic because you know/live with/once shook hands with/and were given birth to by a woman - neither can I.

I must have misunderstood you. You weren't being a condescending jerk to Sarah because she's a woman, but because you just are a condescending jerk. Great - sounds like you're a great role model for all of those daughters.
Oct. 9, 2012, 10:44 pm
Jim from Williamsburg says:
I'm sorry to read of this young mans passing.

I have recently joined the ranks of Brooklyn cyclists and although cycling is sensible , good exercise and invigorating, - it's frightening to challenge some of these selfish, inconsiderate drivers that are in a constant state of Darwinian road rage.

Additionally - it's not fair to simply demonize drivers. On some streets it's an overwhelming task to keep track of traffic, pedestrians, stoplights etc. Bicycles are the final straw - but still the most vulnerable in the playing field.

I suggest "BIKE ONLY" streets, Anslie St., Manhattan Ave etc where driving is FORBIDDEN except for parking and delivery.

Williamsburg can lead the nation in designating bike STREETS perhaps in the way Robert Moses led the nation negatively with the super highway. Obviously outrageous gas prices, traffic, our damaged environment (and obesity) aren't going away - cycling is the future.
Oct. 10, 2012, 6:14 am
Ast from Cobble hill says:
Weasel Taint. Heh.
Oct. 10, 2012, 9:11 am
SwampYankee from runined Brooklyn says:
Oliver from Sunset Park
I'll pass your compliments along to my daughters. The oldest will graduate from Stony Brook Medical school in the spring. She currently works with the Veterans Administration and returning soldiers with sever head trauma (even though they wore helmets). The youngest is being recruited by 2 Ivy League schools. Still trying to keep the middle ones head in the game, but she will be fine. Must have been their mothers influence.
Oct. 10, 2012, 9:31 am
Henry from 11211 says:
Bicycles are an outdated novelty used by self righteous individuals to pretend that they are superior to other commuters. Their comments on these boards is all the evidence one needs to see that.
Oct. 10, 2012, 10:32 am
ty from pps says:
Henry... Pot meet kettle.
Oct. 10, 2012, 11:53 am
gimme from yours says:
marija is a natural born ballbuster, avoid at all costs
Oct. 10, 2012, 12:57 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Sorry ty, but Henry is right about that, because for the most part, that is actually true.
Oct. 10, 2012, 2:07 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Which part is not true?
Oct. 10, 2012, 5:36 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I take it you have never studied Western Philosophy in college, ty, or probably never went to college in that matter. In reality, there is no such thing as a right or wrong answer or even what is good and bad. It can all change definitions depending on who is viewing, and there are a lot of issues happening everywhere that bring such views. The fact that I view some cyclists and zealots, assuming you know what that word actually means, is my view, while you saying it on motorists is your view. This even comes to an old saying about those who can't seem to have a real debate, "If you can't stand the heat, then got of the kitchen." Seeing that you resort to personal attacks shows how much you can't seem to make a debate as well. Bottom line, not all streets are meant for bicycles especially if they are used constantly by trucks, which is going into harm's way for them going there.
Oct. 10, 2012, 5:53 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal --
"In reality, there is no such thing as a right or wrong answer or even what is good and bad." You obviously had a bad professor or, more likely, you missed the point.
Oct. 10, 2012, 6:26 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
As they always say when it comes to understanding the issue, "Forget it Jake, it's ty from pps."
Oct. 10, 2012, 9:14 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Cyclists are zealouts when they are debunked yet remain undebunkable. Irreguaurdless, mixing vehicles on roads is a ridiculous idea especially since bikers never want to follow the rules and all they care about is taking over space paid for by the motorist majority. They want their cake and eat it two. Like Sir Francis Drake and the Spanish Armada, and Israel and Hamas, which is merely a lawless puppet of Iran. Low blows beneath the belt do not stand up to nerdy leftist philosophy of which I am a self-designated answer. Whether the debate is emminem domain, Ratner's free reign over Brooklyn, Israel and Hamas, the WNBA or the twin towers, I have constantly debunked all antagonists by stripping the argument down to its essence. Not by trying to win some popularity contest, like you Ty, and other Michael. I bet you would argue that bikes should have the right to drive down the middle of the Major Deegan Expressway at evening rushour, while taxpaying motorists idle on the sidelines. Keep personnel attacks out of this and focus on the issues like I have.
Oct. 10, 2012, 9:15 pm
old time broolyn from slope says:
ever notice swamp, ty, tal, scott et al all post at the same time
- very much the bromance or multlple personalities - lol this is better to letters to the editor at the daily news notice

i have been riding bikes all over brooklyn and even down bedford ave in 1979 (where hr coloredpeoplr lived - nad where the Jew used to (shvatze = trail of dust but I digress)some super building designs for sure like harlem)- you do not need a helmut or barney - you need your wits about you
mazel tove :)
Oct. 10, 2012, 10:03 pm
ty from pps says:
umm... old time... do you mean the same day?
Oct. 10, 2012, 11:04 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
yep
Oct. 10, 2012, 11:27 pm
Marija from Williamsburg says:
Speeding drivers kill people - tell your representative you support speed cameras in New York City, sign this:

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Oct. 11, 2012, 1:25 am
FedUP from Readerville says:
Tal, get your butt out of your mom's basement and get on a bike before you go blowing off about stuff you know nothing about. By the way, do you even have a driver's license? Have you driven a truck? Do you have a degree in urban planning? Socioeconomics? Philosophy? ANYTHING?

And the same goes for all the other "experts" spouting off. You are all big embarrassments and an argument for shutting off the Comments ability on this rag. Bad as the Post.
Oct. 11, 2012, 9:57 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Some of you still resort to impersonating me, and you are very good suspect FedUP with that comment as your attempt to mock me, or should I say ty's other alter ego?
Oct. 11, 2012, 4:13 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- I've decided that you don't masturbate enough.
Oct. 11, 2012, 5:52 pm
Scott from Park Slope says:
SwampYankee, it's fortunate your daughters had such a raging nancy boy to teach them how to be feminine. Fortunate, too, that you had no sons who would now be in therapy wondering why they get their butts kicked by masculine boys.

Really, it offends men that you hold forth on any topic requiring insight and logic. Every time anyone mentions the words 'skinny jeans' or 'bicycle' you grab your crotch and run screaming for the menfolk to protect you.

Let me lay it out plainly for your estrogen-addled mind: transportation is a complex subject. Trucks are part of that mix. Cars are a part of that mix. Mass transit is part of that mix. Bikes are part of that mix. The streets ought to be designed so all of the above interact safely.

Saying truck traffic on Metropolitan speeds is a statement of fact. It's empirical. I know fact and observation-based data are alien to your emotional, estrogen-ravaged mind, but it's what men use to measure and structure the world. Saying that measures ought be taken to make the road safe for all modes of traffic is a logical conclusion based on fact. Again, I know how that challenges your effeminate mind, but you have to try if you want to join the fact-based reality the rest of us share. And that 'us' includes every woman and man whose mettle exceeds your own, a set that excludes you and your nancy boy compatriots in Bay Ridge.

Give the real women and men of Brooklyn a break and spare us your simpering, illiterate whinging about hipsters and cyclists who threaten no one of consequence. It embarrasses me as an American, Italian, and man that you occupy this same land.

Get thee to the Jersey Shore, you shiftless, socialist harlot!
Oct. 12, 2012, 1:44 pm
Scott from Park Slope says:
Old Time, what is clear is that you and the other trolls are bots employed by the Brooklyn Paper to drive page-views. How do we know this? It's. Because. You. Never. Say. Anything. Different.

I could write a perl-based client in 30 minutes that re-samples and randomly re-inserts your monikers in Brooklyn Paper articles that contain the key words 'bicycle,' 'bike lane,' and 'traffic' and no one would ever know the difference.

Don't know what a 'bot' is? Don't know what perl is? Don't know what random sampling is?

Of course not! Not only have you not mastered the rudiments of technology, but you have also failed to master basic English or masculinity. Do us all a favor and don't utter another single syllable until you learn what it means to be an American and until you grow a pair.
Oct. 12, 2012, 1:55 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Scott, nobody really hates hipsters, some of us just hate the way they drive up prices, which leads to drive out those that were living and working there for generations. By that, I mean that there were there when no one else wanted to be there. It would be nice if they advocated for affordable housing or at least keep rent control or rent stabilization, but they don't. Also, they support chains and corporations over local and small businesses as well. As for bicycles, if there was a way to have them be a serious form of transportation, that would have been almost a century ago. Even in their early days they were seen as a form of recreation as they are now. The only reason why the motor vehicle won was because of how far it could around when it came to replacing horses, which were obsolete at the time. Honestly, even horses had more use than a bicycle. Unfortunately, commuting by bicycle only seems good if you live close to your work [like Mark Gorton] does, otherwise it would just be impossible if you have to go more than just a few miles to your work.
Oct. 12, 2012, 4 pm
old time broklyn from slope says:
scott - i want to have your baby you t w a t mazel tov

i dont know the tech crap at all and really dont care as i get use of it. as far as basic tecnologyi got through college on a manual royale typewriter from 1925 . as for masculinity why not ask your mama (maybe i banged her in the back of snookies or the gaslight - wouldnt be the first. now be a good little twerp and calm down. as for me im gonna smoke some rope and crank up the guitar. im at my weekend place so nobody will get annoyed. mazel tov shmeckela

the hipsters are like the yuppies who ruined the slope back in the 80's and like most yuppies will return back to their ansestral suburban hunting grounds to raise thei pups.
Oct. 13, 2012, 1:51 pm
Pascale from South Jersey says:
My cousin was also victim of a hit-and-run that same weekend, in Williamsburg. Thankfully, he survived with only some injuries. He was also on his bicycle. Admittedly, I am not fond of cyclists. In fact, I do my very best to avoid them. But, above everything I respect human life. Hit-and-run drivers have little regard for human lives. The person whom you hit is someone's loved one. Many people don't care about others and drive too recklessly. As the saying goes: you cannot legislate common sense. More legislation is not going to help anything. While I don't like all the insults being hurled at cyclists, I agree that cyclists should take more precautions.
Oct. 16, 2012, 4:03 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Pascale, I give my condolensces to your cousin's family but I am glad you agree that cyclists are not something to be fond of. Even though they constantly flout the rules of the road while motorists are held to account, they don't deserve to die but they are ultimately responsible for they're own actions. Perhaps they should just stay off the streets that are for motorists, and stay on sidewalks or parks. This way, there will be no encounters with cars, and motorists can drive safely faster.
Oct. 19, 2012, 12:48 pm
Donna from Greenpoint says:
You're both wrong! Cyclists and motorists need to respect pedestrians and the rules of the road. I have been nearly mowed over by both countless times while crossing with the light and walking on the sidewalk. And just try to tell a cyclist they should ride in the street, they laugh or tell you to shut up!
Oct. 22, 2012, 11:04 pm

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