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Department of Transportation unveils Fourth Avenue revamp

City plans narrower thoroughfare to stop speeders

The Brooklyn Paper

A radical redesign is in store for Fourth Avenue, if a new Department of Transportation proposal goes through.

The city previewed a draft plan for the Bay Ridge stretch of the thoroughfare that would shave it down to a single lane in each direction for 13 blocks between Ovington Avenue and 84th Street, a painted median running down the middle of the avenue.

The city also proposes to create a left turn bay at 75th Street, install a concrete pedestrian island on the southern side of the 86th Street intersection, and eliminate an unspecified number of parking spots.

The new designs are a response to resident complaints about speeding, double parking, and hazardous pedestrian conditions along the corridor, which the transportation department heard at a Jan. 24 public workshop in the neighborhood.

The lost lane would create space to accommodate patients at doctors’ offices on the strip, who now frequently leave their cars in the street because of insufficient parking spots along the curb, and also place no parking “drop-off zones” at certain corners for standing vehicles. But the designers claimed that their sophisticated software showed that the new layout would not cause traffic jams.

“We’ve modeled it, and the delay would be insignificant,” said city planner Jesse Mintz-Roth.

But some Ridgites who came out for the March 21 showcase were unconvinced, pointing to congestion resulting from confusion around recently-redrawn traffic lines in nearby Sunset Park.

“It’s going to back up everything,” objected Kathy Byrne. “Driving down Fourth Avenue where you changed it already is terrible.”

Community Board 10 member Allen Bortnick argued the proposal was the culmination of an anti-auto conspiracy on the part of Department of Transportation commissioner Janette Sadik-Khan. He claimed that the January public workshop was a sham, and that the city had drawn up the plans months in advance.

“Sadik-Khan is really Sadist-Khan, and she never met a car she liked,” said Bortnick. “They’re duping the public.”

But others applauded the lane changes. Maureen Landers — who co-founded pro-traffic-control group Bay Ridge Advocates for Keeping Everybody Safe after a car struck her while she was crossing Fourth Avenue several years ago — argued that the community wants and needs the new designs, especially given the speeding epidemic and the rash of recent pedestrian accidents.

“How many more years do we have to have this conversation about safety, how many more accidents do we have to have?” demanded Landers. “We don’t have a congestion problem on Fourth Avenue, we have a speeding problem, and this is a step in the right direction.”

The city reps said they would tweak the plans to address resident concerns in coming weeks, and submit them to CB10 for approval in the next two months.

Reach reporter Will Bredderman at wbredderman@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-4507. Follow him at twitter.com/WillBredderman.

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Michael from Bay Ridge says:
I, for one, am thrilled that something is being done to combat speeding on fourth. It seems to me that there's a lot of reckless driving going on there. Hope that this works.
March 25, 2013, 8:53 am
C from Bay Ridge says:
No more car lanes until drivers cleanup their acts!
March 25, 2013, 9:17 am
Please from Brooklyn says:
I can't wait until this comment thread, like all others, descends into a pointless argument between Tal Barzilai, who has no horse in the game, and ty, who will never learn to stop engaging the many fake Tals.
March 25, 2013, 9:35 am
ty from pps says:
Will Bredderman... "the rash of recent pedestrian accidents"

Accident is not the correct term. Collision, crash... words like these are appropriate. Very very very few true accidents happen. The NYPD doesn't use this words anymore. Neither should you.

"the rash of recent collisions with pedestrians"

Pedestrian accidents removed the drivers from the equation.
March 25, 2013, 9:38 am
Joe from Bay Ridge says:
Surprise! Allen Bortnick, who wanted the city to lease him his very own parking space in front of his house, thinks prioritizing pedestrian safety is an anti-automobile conspiracy!

Get this clown OFF of the community board. He represents no one's interests but his own.
March 25, 2013, 9:45 am
James from Bay ridge says:
I would love to see more traffic calming measures in bay ridge. I always thought 4th ave. was zoned incorrectly, as it is unfriendly to pedestrians but incidentally where the R line runs. There are always tons of people getting off from train stops then darting across 4th ave. as cars just fly by. I hope to see more measures like this.
March 25, 2013, 9:54 am
ty from pps says:
By the way, this "road diet" with turning lanes proved VERY effective on Ocean Avenue... and this stretch of road is very similar in many ways.

Less 'jockeying' for position between lights, logical and predictable turning lanes -- both drivers and pedestrians can predicts who's trying to turn.
March 25, 2013, 10 am
Adrastos from Bath Beach says:
Well if people paid attention to when they crossed 4th ave there would be less accidents. So many people cross the street and don't even look. You be surprised at the amount of morons we have living here in Brooklyn, and lets not forget most are on cell phones.

Then we have the people texting and driving, well WTF do you expect, of course people will be hit....

Changing to one lane is going to be a PITA for drivers. After all these years, NOW they deceide to do something about 4th ave.

We need to address the air planes flying above at 30 second intervals destroying the quality of our lives, not the cars on the road.
March 25, 2013, 10:04 am
dw from bay ridge says:
4th Ave in Sunset Park feels more dangerous to drive on than ever, people frustrated by slower moving traffic due to the lost lane drive more aggressively. Furthermore, look at 3rd avenue - it's often an impassable slalom course of double parked cars (the fact that there is only a single lane in either direction doesn't seem to be stopping anybody from double parking).

Why not have police actually enforcing laws against dangerous jay-walking and reckless speeding? I think this would do far more to diminish dangerous behavior.
March 25, 2013, 10:33 am
John from Bay Ridge says:
The 68th Precinct long ago made a command decision to overlook speeding and reckless driving. Last year the 68th was in the bottom 5 of Brooklyn Precincts in issuing speeding tickets. The Bensonhurst precinct issued twice as many speeding tickets as our 68th Precinct. Speeding and reckless driving are rampant in the 68th Precinct, and nothing is done about it.

I'm in favor of the changes on 4th Avenue if they will save lives. If they slow traffic, that's great. If a few traffic jams result, so what?
March 25, 2013, 10:54 am
John from Bay Ridge says:
And I hope they install speeding and red light cameras all over Bay Ridge. It's clear that the 68th precinct won't enforce the laws against speeding and reckless driving. Time for another solution.
March 25, 2013, 10:56 am
Rufus Leaking from BH says:
Fixing what isn't broken and causing traffic that's their job, making Mayor for Life Mike's Traffic Congestion Tax the savior!

Is Will making up another story? Watch that guy!

The Romans built roads, and Civilization thrived. Mayor for Life Mike makes cafes in the middle of the street and thinks he looks smart.
March 25, 2013, 11:40 am
Dr. M from Bay Ridge says:
"4th Ave in Sunset Park feels more dangerous to drive on than ever, people frustrated by slower moving traffic due to the lost lane drive more aggressively."

If drivers can not be expected to control their aggression and frustration then they deserve all the traffic calming the city can throw at them. Pedestrians should not have to share the road with people who can't control their anger.
March 25, 2013, 11:47 am
ty from pps says:
"Fixing what isn't broken" - Umm... Rufus, most pedestrians would disagree with this statement.
March 25, 2013, 11:53 am
Rufus Leaking from BH says:
Department of NON Transportation.
March 25, 2013, 1:27 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
All that is needed is for the lights to be retimed to slow down speeding drivers in this case but that's not what's happening which is no surprise. Traffic calming isn't the answer in my book since it just creates the traffic that causes accidents in the first place. You never hear of them putting up signs and retiming lights because they lost congestion pricing and want to do other things to punish drivers who pay taxes. Just more nanny state from Bloomberg if you ask me so don't expect any changes just traffic. But that's what you can expect if you do this.
March 25, 2013, 2:29 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Rufus has a good point. This avenue wouldn't have been a problem if not for jaywalking especially when that is putting them into harm's way. All traffic calming really does is just create more traffic, which I won't be surprised if Bloomberg will be using this to help promote congestion by creating the very congestion itself. BTW, pedestrian islands were proven to do more harm than good after the ones that were placed on the Fort Hamilton Parkway not that long ago were removed after the neighborhood claimed that they were causing more traffic and even making them inconvenient for service and emergency vehicles. Also, I am glad that we have people such as Allen Bortnick who can see through this plan on what it really is. Still, I think that fixing the timing of the lights is a better idea especially when it's much cheaper and won't make much of an inconvenience for anyone, but it won't happen, because it makes sense and is a lot cheaper than what Bloomberg and JSK want.
March 25, 2013, 4:31 pm
Me from Bay Ridge says:
Funny, Fourth Avenue was widened back in the '60's, in Sunset Park anyway, ripping out the old trees that lined it and leaving some building with very narrow sidewalks.
March 25, 2013, 5:10 pm
Bobby Other from Bay Ridge says:
Tal: Traffic congestion is caused by people who jump in their car to drive 2 blocks for a pack of smokes, not by pedestrians. Car drivers receive ten time the government subsidies that transit riders get. Time to set the record straight. The Reign of King Car must come to an end. People who want to live a car-based life should move to Long Island or New Jersey. Brooklyn is fpr pedestrians.
March 25, 2013, 5:24 pm
Susan from Sunset Park says:
More Garbage!!!! I cant wait for this mayor to leave!!
March 25, 2013, 5:53 pm
TAL TAL TAL from TAL LAND says:
There is no difference between the real Tal and the fake ones! He is beyond parody!
March 25, 2013, 5:55 pm
Rebecca S. from Bay Ridge says:
Allen Bortnick should be ashamed of his selfishness. This project will save lives.
March 25, 2013, 6:07 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Bobby, as much as you hate cars, just like the WNBA or anything else you hate, they aren't going away anytime soon. There will always be a need for the car no matter how much you hate them. Some of those who driving in your neighborhood may live there while others may not. Try looking at the causes to why some of us drive into the city rather than take mass transit, and then you will understand why, and I can tell you that it's not always based on choice. BTW, the fees that I pay for my car every year are NOT subsidized at all, and they go up much more than your monthly Metrocard goes up by.
March 25, 2013, 6:10 pm
Chris from Bushwick says:
Tal becomes more and more of a parody of himself with every post. High comedy!
March 25, 2013, 6:37 pm
Doc from Bay Ridge says:
Tap is actually right, and makes intelligent arguments.
March 25, 2013, 7:02 pm
Chris from Bushwick says:
Doc, if you'd look at past comments, you'd see that we've countered his arguments virtually every time (particularly the one about signal timing) with proven traffic engineering methods and gathered scientific evidence about traffic calming. His arguments are based on false assumptions and anecdotes and are not nearly as intelligent as he makes them out to be.
March 25, 2013, 7:09 pm
Resident from Bay Ridge says:
I've almost been hit by a car 7 times in the past 3 years in this area .. and I've never even come close to being hit by a car in 20 years of living previously in Manhattan.

The drivers in Bay Ridge are not 'pedestrian friendly' at all .. even friends of mine remark on this when driving up to visit me. Aggressive, texting ... unsafe.
March 25, 2013, 7:23 pm
Resident from Bay Ridge says:
Oh, and I DON'T text while crossing streets .. I see the drivers who almost hit me nearly always on a cell phone, though. And no police in sight to enforce anything.
March 25, 2013, 7:27 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Chris, you do know that your hero Mark Gorton does have a history of paying people to make results go into his favor as does Bloomberg and JSK. If you really want to make streets safe, everyone else has to play their part in following the rules, not just a certain group. I do remember about hearing about those who got hit, and weren't even paying attention to the road. This doesn't mean that I am saying that they deserved what was coming, but had they paid attention, the accident would have been avoided. If time is an issue, then just leave a bit earlier and that won't be an issue. Just saying that motorists only should be subject to the rules while everyone else doesn't almost reminds me of George Orwell's Animal Farm here. BTW, thank you Doc for understanding what I have been saying, because so many here gang up on me and make personal attacks rather than wanting to have a real discussion. In other words, they can dish criticism, but they can't take it.
March 25, 2013, 7:31 pm
Jimmy from PH says:
Who is Mark Gorton and what does the WNBA have to do with trying to make the streets safer for pedestrians?
March 25, 2013, 8:07 pm
Huh? from Huh-ville says:
Who said anything about only motorists being subject to rules while everyone else doesn't?
March 25, 2013, 10:11 pm
Jane from Bay Ridge says:
Changing the timing of the lights will not eliminate speeding up to run through that yellow to a get a block ahead. Not all pedestrians are hit because they are crossing on the red. This neighborhood is a free for all when it comes to traffic. There is no enforcement to move double parked cars on Third, ticket u-turners or slow drivers down on Fourth. Drivers constantly roll right on through stop signs or violate the crosswalk when stopping for red lights. I agree that pedestrians can be just as oblivious to the rules and may contribute to accidents/collisions; but when we tolerate the consistent outrageous and dangerous behavior of drivers in this neighborhood we too become responsible. Now is as good a time as any to take responsibility for our complacency and implement calming measures.
March 26, 2013, 7:03 am
Chris from Bushwick says:
Tal, saying that your arguments are based on false assumptions and anecdotes is not a "personal attack." It's a criticism, which causes you to recoil and respond with accusations of unfounded conspiracies, then somehow say that it's your "attackers" who can't take the criticism that you dish.

If I said, theoretically, that your comments sound like the ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic who forgot to take his meds, THAT would be a personal attack. But I didn't say that, did I?
March 26, 2013, 10:05 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jimmy, Mark Gorton is the founder of a website known as Streetsblog, though he also works for Limewire, which has been known for illegal downloads of music. He is known for being a major chief enabler when it comes to fanaticism on streets. The reason I mentioned the WNBA is because I used at as analogy to something many don't like a lot just like cars.

Huh?, even with the latest ticket blitz on bicycles, they were still small compared to the many citations and violations to what motorists got.

Jane, I don't condone what motorists do when they are wrong, but you also got to look at what all other groups do as well, which is also illegal. Last time I checked, jaywalking is against the law, and I even find as a pedestrian going into harm's way. The same thing with cyclists practically ignoring the rules of the road in thinking that they are always above the law in so many ways. I would really like those who tell others to follow the laws to do the same thing themselves, otherwise practicing what they preach especially to avoid having double standards.

Chris, not all the research on Streetsblog is 100% accurate, and some of them have raised such questions. The reason I say that it could either be biased or be paid is because of the infamous Zimbalist Report that was used to support Bruce Ratner on his Atlantic Yards complex where that very person wasn't just biased on such, but also paid to do it in his favor. Don't be surprised if many politicians such as Bloomberg is doing this as well. On a side note, ty has attacked me numerous times and even called me an idiot, but I have never heard you calling him out, but rather either staying silent or rushing to his defense. It's statements such as your's that make want to report you every time I see them.
March 26, 2013, 5:55 pm
Queen of the Click from Bay Ridge says:

I agree that something had to be done about 4th Avenue. But I think the new plan is going to make this area more congested, especially during peak hours. If you travel north on 4th Avenue,you can see that similar changes have been done and the area is more congested.

The complaints about speeding and double parking on 4th Avenue SHOULD have been handled by the police ticketing offenders. If the city is short on money and police officers have to meet a quota of writing tickets, the speeding situation on 4th Avenue could have been handled by now. I rarely see any officers on 4th Avenue - does anyone?
March 26, 2013, 6:37 pm
Jimmy from PH says:
Tal,
Your comments are just weird. I don't know. You mention the WNBA and something about how much you pay to own a car vs. how much people pay for their metro cards? Huh? What does that have to do with making the streets in Bay Ridge safer for pedestrians?
March 26, 2013, 7:07 pm
Chris from Bushwick says:
I'm sorry, Tal, but I was unaware that I am supposed to be held responsible for other people's comments. I think Ty is about as unhinged as you are, to be honest. He defaults to name-calling, and you default to conspiracy theories and undercutting evidence collected through scientific methods without providing any evidence of your own. Neither contribute anything meaningful to the discussion in these comments.

Also, again, what do the WNBA, the cost of car insurance, Ratner, Limewire, or anything else have to do with the topic at hand: speeding and pedestrian safety on 4th Avenue in Bay Ridge? And what qualifies you at all to speak about this issue, being from Pleasantville? These are not attacks, these are honest questions that a lot of people have about your incessant commenting on articles like these.
March 26, 2013, 8:09 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Chris, I was answering another comment here that was talking about saying that the car should go away when it won't. Personally, I don't find traffic calming to work in the long run. If you asked me, this will just result in a cycle of generations doing the reverse of the other. Let's say the traffic calming is down for 4th Avenue. The next generation will be claiming that it will be too slow, so they will claim to get rid of it to help the traffic there move better. Decades after that, the generation of that time will claim that the traffic is too fast and place the traffic calming once again. Do we really want a cycle here to change this road back and forth? I feel that there are more permanent solutions especially one that won't result in a cycle, and that can be making the timing of the traffic signals better. The only problem with that is that to both Bloomberg and JSK, it won't just make sense, but it will make the idea of traffic calming obsolete, plus it will most likely cost lesser and provide much on inconvenience on the streets either.
March 26, 2013, 9:13 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal,
You are an ignorant nutbag and you REALLY need to work on your English.
March 26, 2013, 9:35 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, cut the personal attacks, and quit trying to be the grammar police.
March 27, 2013, 3:30 pm
Chris from Bushwick says:
Tal, what we know is what works - traffic calming reduces speeds and improves safety for pedestrians AND drivers. Given that evidence, why should we not make the street safer based on your purely hypothetical assumption that the next generation might think it's "too slow?" That's preposterous.

And to reiterate: timing traffic lights does not calm traffic in a vacuum. In a timed "wave" of traffic lights, there are still drivers who enter the wave late and will try to "catch up" to the front of the wave by speeding. They will be able to do so because no other traffic-calming devices are installed. It won't stop speeding and it won't improve safety. Period.
March 27, 2013, 6:02 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Sorry Chris, but I don't accept Streetsblog funded claims. Queen of the Click summed it up very well. This may not cause more congestion right now, but it will later on. The real problem is not coming up with a long term solution. Also, I don't get your definition of safe streets here or at least the way anti-car websites such as Streetsblog places it. Honestly, I feel the streets will be safer if all groups are following the rules, not just one only. Again, jaywalking is against the law, but I am not hearing you calling for more enforcement on that. Instead, I am just hearing you and your kind just crying foul to that, and the same thing goes on cyclists who tend to flout the laws quite constantly. I never could understand why pedestrians and cyclists choose to place themselves into harm's way just by disobeying the traffic laws themselves. BTW, having the right of way isn't absolute either, and there are those who tend to abuse that. Just leave this avenue as is and step up the enforcement on all groups, and everything will be fine rather than make it harder for some.
March 27, 2013, 8:57 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal, hey Tal.

You're such an out of touch nutbag. Yes, I resort to personal attacks... but you can't seem to stop being willfully ignorant. Almost everything you stated in your last comment is misguided and, well, wrong.

Enjoy Pleasantville. I am soooooo happy you can't vote here.
March 27, 2013, 9:56 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, whether you agree with me or not, it does NOT give you the right to make personal attacks at anyone. In reality, you are the real troll especially with such attacks. You don't hear me saying such words to you, so knock it off. I don't care if anyone wishes to disagree with me, it's the personal attacks that I am against. Overall, not every street needs to be redesigned just because a small group finds it hard for them. I betcha if jaywalking was stopped, there would be fewer pedestrian fatalities.
March 27, 2013, 10:21 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- You don't say anything that merits "agreeing" or "disagreeing" -- the things you say are so disconnected from reality, it's outrageous.
March 27, 2013, 11:18 pm
Chris from Bushwick says:
Tal, let's take your idiotic claims one-by-one:

"Streetsblog funded claims:" what I claimed has nothing to do with Streetsblog. Drivers speed in New York and will do so at an opportunity; this is common knowledge. As for what traffic calming measures work, the Federal Highway Administration is not run by Streetsblog, as far as I know, and maintains an online library full of data that prove the traffic calming methods proposed on Fourth Avenue work.

"Definition of safe streets:" Safe streets are streets with a lower rate of injury and death among all users. This should not be difficult to comprehend.

"Jaywalking is against the law:" Yes, it is. And when pedestrians break the law, they are harming themselves (and on some parts of 4th Avenue, they're worthy of a Darwin Award). But when drivers break the law, they threaten everyone on the road. You can't compare a 2,000 pound vehicle to a 150 pound person and say they pose the same threat. And by the way, jaywalking ranked 14th among contributing factors in traffic accidents in New York City in February, according to NYPD data.

"I never could understand why pedestrians and cyclists choose to place themselves into harm's way:" For once, you and I agree. But most pedestrians who are killed by drivers are obeying the law. We've had four killed in the past month who did nothing more than walk on the sidewalk. Speed was a factor in nearly all of them. If you're speeding and lose control of your vehicle, you're not just a harm to people in the street. That's why we need to stop speeding.

"Having the right of way isn't absolute:" Yes, it is, according to the law. And unlike jaywalking, vehicles failing to yield is the 3rd leading cause of traffic injuries in New York. This is your problem, Tal: you're telling me that I make excuses for cyclists and pedestrians who break the law (I don't; they are responsible for themselves), but you're making the very same excuses for drivers!

"Step up the enforcement on all groups:" Now we come to the root of the problem. The NYPD has shown a complete unwillingness to enforce the speed limit. The 68th and 72nd Precincts have issued a total of 36 speeding tickets so far this year - not even one per day. As for the "all groups" part, I have no problem with enforcement relative to the threat, as long as the 13 other leading causes of traffic injuries are dealt with first.

"Make it harder for some:" Do pedestrians not count? This road is a speedway, drivers routinely refuse to yield to those legally crossing the street, and the road is excessively wide for crossing. This is a pedestrian-heavy corridor, and pedestrians have it too hard here! Given the ability of drivers to speed given the excess capacity, drivers have it too easy. Why not meet somewhere in the middle and make the street functional for everyone who uses it?

This is the last time I have a rational conversation with you, Tal, until you choose to recognize that the facts are the facts. You're entitled to your own opinions, but if you continue to live in a world where most pedestrians are causing their own deaths, where jaywalking is more of a threat than speeding, and where purely speculative consequences are the basis for your opposition to this project, you are not worth listening to.
March 28, 2013, 10:30 am
Asking from NYC says:
Why do people choose to engage with the many fake Tals? She doesn't even live in NYC!
March 28, 2013, 2:39 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Chris, like it or not, jaywalking is against the law. BTW, I have read many news report where the pedestrian hit was actually jaywalking. The reason that happened was because that pedestrian gave the motorist very little time to notice them, which is what caused the accident. You are aware that if a motorists hits a pedestrian but wasn't breaking the law in the making, it's not considered negligible. I do find you be giving a strawman argument here, because whenever you talk about motorists that flout the laws, I can say the same thing about cyclists that do just about the same. There are actually more pedestrians who feel more threatened by cyclists than motorists especially when cyclists have a history if ignoring all traffic lights and signs. Truthfully, I find it a bad idea to even think about placing traffic calming on a major thoroughfare such as 4th Avenue, because it can cause a lot of congestion by commercial vehicles that are using it everyday. Let's not forget that not too long ago, pedestrian islands were placed on Ft Hamilton Parkway not that far away, and were later on removed because it was found to cause numerous congestion as what Kathy Byrne is saying about 4th Avenue if any of this happens. She felt that the idea will just make the area go from bad to worse. On a side note, Manhattan did lose several bus stops that used to be on Broadway until the plaza for Times Square came in which they were later removed from the relocated avenues due to congestion. Overall, the idea is to think long term, not short term.
March 28, 2013, 6:12 pm
Ann from Dyker Heights says:
I agree 4th Avenue has a speeding problem but so do other one lane avenues like 11th Avenue, Fort Hamilton Parkway, 12th Avenue... especially during non-peak hours... traffic calming on 4th Avenue will cause congestion during peak times, and during back ups when VZ Bridge is out.. The answer is enforcement.. two lanes are needed on 4th Avenue for volume.. maybe some parking lane lines, enhanced crosswalks..but the real solution here is MORE ENFORCEMENT!
March 28, 2013, 6:56 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Sometimes, just being anti-car makes some like Bloomberg and JSK forget why some roads are regarded as major thoroughfares to begin with. There is a reason why the have to remain their normal length and width, and that mainly has to do with having commercial traffic there. Then again, using the plan on 4th Avenue could just be another way to help promote congestion pricing by creating the very congestion itself. When the Gowanus Expressway (I-278) is packed, it's very possible to get alternating volume on this, and truncating it can actually make that worse. It's already been proven more recently on another major thoroughfare like the pedestrian islands that were placed on the Fort Hamilton Parkway actually made traffic there worse, which is why they were removed especially when there were patients being rushed to the hospital only being found to be too late thanks to that. In other words, nobody would want a repeat of that.
March 29, 2013, 4:34 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
If you think traffic calming on 4th Avenue is bad, just wait until you see what JSK has in store for Canal Street, which will possibly make the area around there a traffic nightmare for Holland Tunnel commuters.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/march-29-nypd-nra-lich-article-1.1301530?pgno=1
March 29, 2013, 5:36 pm
Ed from Brooklyn says:
Why would someone WANT to be a Fake Tal? And why does the real Tal from Pleasantville spend so much time pontificating about Brooklyn issues?
March 30, 2013, 11:37 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ed, last time I checked, I didn't see it anything that said locals only can comment here. BTW, it doesn't take a special insider to understand what a boondoggle or pet project is. Overall, if you don't like what I have to say, then just don't answer me. It's not as if I am forcing you to read my comments and respond to them, that's something you are choosing to do.
March 30, 2013, 5:34 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ed, last time I checked, I didn't see it anything that said locals only can comment here. BTW, it doesn't take a special insider to understand what a boondoggle or pet project is. Overall, if you don't like what I have to say, then just don't answer me. It's not as if I am forcing you to read my comments and respond to them, that's something you are choosing to do.
March 30, 2013, 5:34 pm

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