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Politicians flip-flop on Brooklyn College’s pro-Palestine lecture

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A heavily publicized Brooklyn College lecture on boycotting Israeli goods didn’t differ much from the run-of-the-mill discussions commonplace at universities around the world — and the borough politicians who turned it into international news wound up looking as impressionable as first-semester freshmen when it was all said and done on Thursday night.

The school’s talk with gender theorist Judith Butler and Palestinian rights advocate Omar Barghouti went off without a hitch after college president Karen Gould refused to budge to demands that the political science department withdraw its co-sponsorship of the event.

The huge build-up before the forum drew dozens of opponents and supporters who rallied outside behind police barricades, while students and lecturers inside pondered why, exactly, this discussion became the biggest story in Brooklyn.

“At the time I thought it would be very much like other events I have attended, a conversation with a few dozen student activists in the basement of a student center,” said Butler in prepared remarks that vigorously defended academic freedom — and the merits of the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement, which pushes for Palestinian rights. “[Y]our being here this evening confirms your right to form and communicate an autonomous judgment, to demonstrate why you think something is true or not, and you should be free to do this without coercion and fear.”

Debate over the forum had as much to do with free speech as it did with the content of the lecture itself — and local politicians turned out proving that in America you can argue any point you want, and even take both sides of an issue if you like.

Lawmakers such as Councilman Brad Lander (D–Park Slope), four top mayoral candidates, Borough President Markowitz, and Reps. Hakeem Jeffries (D–Fort Greene), Jerrold Nadler (D–Pard Slope), and Yvette Clarke (D–Flatbush) all called for the school to withdraw sponsorship in the days before the event, then flip-flopped and cheered Brooklyn College’s leadership.

And it sounded like a couple of them hadn’t quite done all their homework.

Councilmembers Letitia James (D–Fort Greene) and Steve Levin (D–Williamsburg) signed a letter sent to Gould along with eight other lawmaker hinting that the City Council could withhold funding from the school if it did not comply with the wishes of taxpayers — then announced they would symbolically remove their imprimaturs from the missive because they did not support that very idea.

“I would say that it’s a lesson in how important it is to choose your words carefully,” said Levin.

Councilman Jumaane Williams (D–Flatbush) put out a press release urging the school to open up the debate to pro-Israel groups so the issue could “be discussed with equity, preferably in the same forum.” Days later, he sent out a second release expressing his “confidence in academic freedom at Brooklyn College.”

Mayor Bloomberg, who vocally defended the college and academic freedom on Wednesday, was one of the only high-profile elected officials who did not waver in his support for the college.

Brooklyn College students understood the subject of the lecture was controversial — but were surprised it got attention from anyone off campus.

“I was shocked to see that it became such a big deal,” said linguistics major Daniel Barry as he waited in the line for the forum. “All these people were getting upset because some academic department is hosting Judith Butler. I was like, ‘Isn’t this what academia does?’ ”

Reach reporter Eli Rosenberg at erosenberg@cnglocal.com or by calling (718) 260-2531. And follow him at twitter.com/emrosenberg.

Updated 4:04 pm, February 8, 2013: Story updated to clarify Councilman Jumaane Williams's perspective.
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ty from pps says:
Well... Maybe, just maybe, my local elected officials will take moment to reflect before jumping on the next Dov Hikind / Alan Dershowitz bandwagon.

The unconditional support for the State of Israel, Israel can do no wrong, If you say anything critical about Israel you're condemning all Jews to a second Holocaust party is fun, I suppose, but ridiculous. Especially ridiculous when you let such irrational thinking get in the way of basic principles of free speech and academic freedom.
Feb. 8, 2013, 10:07 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First of all Alan Dershowitz is a civil liberties lawyer, and he knows all about academic freedom. If anyone actually read what he wrote in the Huffington Post, which was linked from his name in the article, you would see that he's not against the BDS wanting to state their view, he just feels that it shouldn't be sponsored, and that Brooklyn College should allow for both sides. Isn't a forum supposed to represent both sides of the issue, not just one? Also, many of the members of the BDS have been to be either neo-Nazis, Holocaust deniers, or even sympathizers to terrorist organizations. One of them even got what they wrote printed in Al Jazzera, which is clearly anti-Israel. I take it that the BDS can dish criticism, but can't take it. BTW, the BDS goes on record for being against the existence of Israel, so they do are against seeing a Jewish state and the two state solution, plus they will still call for a boycott of Israel even if they do agree to remove all the settlements in the disputed territories the next day just because of their anti-Israel bias.
Feb. 8, 2013, 11:26 am
ty from pps says:
Tal -- Come on... You seem to be *trying* to be ignorant and obtuse. You wrote the same comment just now that you have written about a dozen times before.

Did you even read this article to which you are commenting?

"Isn't a forum supposed to represent both sides of the issue, not just one?"

NO. Absolutely not. This is in no way a requirement for anything. Your ridiculously simplistic view of how the world works is just infuriating.

Why don't you actually read Judith Butler's comments from last night's Brooklyn College event.
http://www.thenation.com/article/172752/judith-butlers-remarks-brooklyn-college-bds
Feb. 8, 2013, 11:50 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Ty, none of this who disagreed with the BDS wanted them to be silenced, they just didn't want the college to sponsor it. Even Dershowitz himself stated that he had nothing against the BDS being there, just the way it was going. Honestly, I don't see what is wrong with a forum presenting both sides rather than just one. It's not like I am hearing them calling for a boycott on Syria, and there is even more evidence of oppression and state sponsored terrorism there, but according to the BDS, their fight isn't with Syria, so they look the other way on that. For the record, on the other article, I did click through all the links of those on the BDS, and I couldn't believe what they had to say, which was just another bunch of repeated myths. I am glad to thank those who stood up to them on those articles.
Feb. 8, 2013, 2:45 pm
ty from pps says:
Again, Tal... Why do you keep going to the relativist argument? It's just dumb.

"Sure, I rape people... but, why are you giving me such a hard time? That guy over there rapes sooo many more people!"

And "Honestly, I don't see what is wrong with a forum presenting both sides rather than just one." Absolutely nothing wrong with that... if that was the format of the event. There is also NOTHING WRONG with presenting one "side" of an issue either -- and allowing intelligent humans to reflect and discuss those views.

You didn't read Butler's remarks did you? (It's clear since you went straight to talking about the same crap about BDS)
Feb. 8, 2013, 2:57 pm
ty from pps says:
By the way, Tal. Where were you? I didn't see you protesting the event. I was there. Not protesting, but to see if all of the bluster and outrage would actually materialize... guess what? It didn't. There were about 12 people protesting this supposed "hate fest." Given the rhetoric, you'd think the streets would have been packed like a Jewish Tahrir Square.
Feb. 8, 2013, 3 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I was in the city seeing a screening of Identity Thief last night over at the AMC Loews Kips Bay. Just because I wasn't there protesting, doesn't mean that I didn't care. There are others way to express yourself. Nevertheless, here is the link for a number of debunked myths that members of the BDS and other on the anti-Israel crowd tend to be believe, and there sources to back them as the claims being from the past to the present.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/mftoc.html
Feb. 8, 2013, 3:08 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal -- I really don't care about the "debunked myths" of BDS. I think I've already mentioned I think that many of their positions are wrong-headed.

What I do care about is this ridiculous claim that every "valid" presentation or discussion on a topic requires there to be a counterpoint present. This is a very juvenile idea. Not everything in the world is middle school debate club. Not everything is like the 24-hour news channels where they manufacture "opposing views" on the pundit panels.

I can listen to Alan Dershowitz spew his opinion.... and LEARN FROM IT. I don't need to hear the opposing viewpoint for whatever topic he's decided to rant and self-aggrandize about. His single-perspective is enough. I can then add my own ideas and, at some other point, hear other perspectives. This is how academic (and adults) work through complex ideas. Not through neatly packaged soundbites and neatly packages "debates" with Position A and Position B.

It's amusing (and sad) that you think adding a dissenting voice to this panel would have made everything perfect... Guess what? That's silly.
Feb. 8, 2013, 3:38 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
ty gets dumber by the post - - mazel tove
Feb. 8, 2013, 4:46 pm
ty from pps says:
Old Time -- What did I say that was so dumb? I'd like to learn.
Feb. 8, 2013, 4:58 pm
Barry from Flatbush says:
I long for the day when there are ONLY two sides to any issue in the Middle East! Shouldn't a forum have to present every view on the issue, and do it equally. Next time the college should invite 500 speakers to each present their particular take on the Israeli-Palestininian conflict.

Next month at the college, both sides of the "meaning of life" debate will face off.
Feb. 8, 2013, 5:52 pm
old time brooklyn from slope says:
ty - all of th above but what reveals you most is your shabbos goyim post - kind of shwatze nu?
Feb. 8, 2013, 5:57 pm
JAY from NYC says:
TAL,
1) Allowing a gov official to tell a school not to sponsor something is censorship and in fact is silencing it, which you state you are against, but in reality, by practical effect clearly are for.
2) You ask for both sides to be shown in an event, but that would make it a very different kind of thing, instead of spending the entire time dedicated to exploring one subject, you want want someone with an opposing ideology to protest that other point of view. That is a debate, not a presentation and they are totally different things, and each have their place in a school setting, but they are NOT the same thing.
I am guessing you did not go to college or you would understand that crystal clear distinction.
3) Its not like the jewish point of view is not heavily represented at Brooklyn College 50% of the student population are Orthodox Jews.
Brooklyn College has kosher dinning, there is an ortohodox club (shall people who are atheists be allowed to show up and tell them why they are wrong for believing Tal? By your argument the answer would be yes)
there is also a Hillel on campus as well, so I think that the jewish point of view is pretty well covered and this event is the other side of what is already extremely over-represented on campus.
Again, the fact that you don't get that indicates you don't have anything beyond a high school degree and don't understand what a college is about.
4) Tal who in the BDS were neo-nazis? Who are terrorist sympathizers and who are holocaust deniers? Name them Tal. Can you, or are you just repeating unsourced crap from a third party as you usually do? Come on Tal, put up or shut up. Name names.
The fact is that BDS is a non-violent group, period. By the way, the PA does not support the boycott, but funny enough, Israel has a law that makes it a crime to boycott Israel. GO figure.
5) And Tal what about this in the news today, Beitar Jerusalem, a soccer club in Isreal, long been linked to Mr. Netanyahu’s Likud Party, and for 15 years has been notorious for racism and violence, including an episode last spring in which fans stormed a mall chanting “Death to Arabs” and beat up several Arab employees.
Eli Abarbanel, a senior state prosecutor and Beitar fan, said on Israel Radio on Friday that the soccer struggle reflected “a broad phenomenon of racism in all of Israeli society,” citing expressions of “joy” on social media after a recent bus accident that killed 20 Palestinian children.
Yeah, nothing to see here, just a bunch of myths that Tal's stupid web link that has the scholarship of a sixth grader will debunk everything.
Feb. 8, 2013, 6:47 pm
ty from pps says:
I wish Tal was better at bunking things because he's terrible at debunking...
Feb. 8, 2013, 6:56 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jay, if the BDS really claims that they are for non-violence, then how about they put it where it really belongs? By that, I would love to see them calling out Hamas, which is something they have never done. Below, is the link that tells the truth about the BDS and what they really stand for. On a side note, that group that you mentioned is a small group, and nobody in Israel takes them seriously.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFdelegitimization.html
Feb. 8, 2013, 9:07 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
This is what Omar Barghouti, the founder of the BDS goes on record for saying to claim that he is clearly against the two state solution let alone peace between Israel and Palestine, "Good riddance! The two-state solution for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is finally dead. But someone has to issue an official death certificate before the rotting corpse is given a proper burial and we can all move on and explore the more just, moral and therefore enduring alternative for peaceful coexistence between Jews and Arabs in Mandate Palestine: the one-state solution.”
Feb. 8, 2013, 9:16 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal, you are truly gifted.
Feb. 8, 2013, 11:01 pm
jay from nyc says:
A small group that no one takes seriously, thats why the leader of Likud is talking about them? No one takes you seriously Tal and you are not even a small group.
Tal again, who are the neo-nazis and terroists? Come on and answer the question, you make absurd statements and you NEVER back them up. Answer the freaking question Tal.
Please show me where BDS has ever made a statement for violence Tal. Show me the quote.
and stop posting your stupid link, its a crap site with crap on it, and you are acting like a spam bot.
Now answer the question Tal who in BDS are terrorists and neo-nazis, please tell us, give us the names Tal, either that or admit you are a fraud and made it up.
Feb. 9, 2013, 12:41 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jay, I just gave a quote from the group's founder as proof that he doesn't support the peace process let alone the two state solution that most Israelis do favor for peace. The website known as the Jewish Virtual Library has tons of sources of where they got their information, and they are almost like the Atlantic Yards Report of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. If their claims are false, I would love to see where they got it wrong, because on each subject, they have a bibliography of where they got their information from. Still, I would like to see where the BDS is actually for peace, because I have never heard them talking about it in any of their speeches. As for that group that was happy about the accident, they don't represent the whole country. Even Bibi has opposition in his own country, and he was lucky enough to stay in office even though his own party, Likud, had only a slight majority, otherwise he would have to resign from office as it would be in the British parliamentary system.
Feb. 9, 2013, 1:29 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Here is some more proof for what the BDS actually stands for, and please read everything in that link.

http://www.stopbds.com/?page_id=549
Feb. 9, 2013, 1:45 pm
ty from pps says:
Tal... oh, nevermind.
Feb. 9, 2013, 5:18 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
If you really want to boycott all Israeli made products and ideas coming from there, then I suggest you watch this video to see why it's a bad idea.

http://www.stopbds.com/?page_id=541
Feb. 9, 2013, 5:21 pm
JAY from NYC says:
no Tal, I want you to answer the question who are the neo-nazis and terrorists Tal, you have not answered that question, you have refused to answer the question, you have made accusations and refused to provide ANY evidence that what you say is true, so in my opinion you are a fraud.
Feb. 9, 2013, 5:28 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jay, I can say the same back at you, but here is what I know about the members. Alice Walker was known for getting a piece about her view on Israel over on Al Jazeera, which is a media source that has NEVER said anything positive on Israel, which makes the NY Times look like nothing on it. Meanwhile, Omar Barghouti has never said anything about making peace between the Israelis and Palestinians, just boycotting, which he will demand for no matter what the outcome will be. Sandra O'Neill tried to make a claim that there Palestinian children that were killed by IDF soldiers during her visit, but studies from the OCHA and PCHA have found that to be false. Another false claim she made was that non-Jews were being discriminated from using certain buses and roads, but that too was found to be false as many of those roads that are for Israeli license plates can be used by either Jews or Arabs, and the reason they don't place these near Palestinian cities and towns is mainly because there are snipers that will shoot at them the minute they go by there, plus some of those victims that were shot weren't even Jews, but other Arabs. Another mistake O'Neill got wrong was about the checkpoints in that they were making it hard for the Palestinians to enter into Israel when in reality, they were placed there in response to terrorists, while those that aren't suspected of having any weapons are allowed to go through without a problem. I thank CAMERA for placing that issue and showing the real face of a BDS member. BTW, here is the link on her false claims.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_print=1&x_context=6&x_article=2158
Feb. 9, 2013, 7:03 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Since some are too lazy to go to the other article to read the link that was on what Dershowitz had to say on the Huffington Post, I will just post it here to help many avoid that trip.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/does-brooklyn-college-pas_b_2600342.html
Feb. 9, 2013, 7:05 pm
JAY from NYC says:
Tal, no, you can't say the same thing about me Tal because I am not a fraud.
You called the people who came to Brooklyn College an organization of neo-nazis and terrorists, who Tal? Give us the names.
You made very serious allegations by calling people some of the worst things people can be labeled and you have provided NO EVIDENCE.
Who are the Neo-Nazis Tal? Who are the terrorists? Your last post itsTOTAL CRAP!!! That is your "info"? That is the basis you have for calling people a neo-nazi?
Boycotts does not make a person a terrorist Tal, nor does it make one a neo-nazi. By your "logic" everyone who boycotted South Afirca is a terrorist neo-nazi.
So who has committed an act of terror and who is a neo-nazi among those who were at the event at Brooklyn College Tal?
You made the charge now either back it up and names names with specific acts of terrorism they commited or gave material support to and evidence of neo-nazi activities, or shut up and admit you are a fraud and retract it.
Feb. 9, 2013, 7:24 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
JAY, I didn't say that any of them were terrorists, I said that they were sympathizers to terrorists. Those two are not the same thing. I have read through plenty of speeches the members of BDS, and none of them have ever advocated for peace between Israel and Palestine nor have they ever condemned any terrorist actions done by Hamas, but they are always loud whenever Israel reacts to the attacks. As I have said numerous times before, Israel is not an apartheid state. You do know that in South Africa, blacks and other minorities were not allowed to go to certain places that were restricted to just whites nor did they get to vote or have any representation in the government. This is not the case in Israel, because Arabs not only have the right to vote and own property, but they also have representatives in the Knesset and Israeli Supreme Court, plus more of them are serving in the IDF, though they are still volunteering, because they still cannot get drafted, but they still want to serve anyway. Again, please read what Dershowitz had to say over on the Huffington Post. Also, that link from CAMERA tells the real story of what really happened when O'Neill, one of the members was there. On a side note, there have been many groups claiming to be for the ethical treatment of the Palestinians, but were really found to be harboring terrorism, which is against all international laws, and some of those groups include the International Solidarity Movement, who was known for hiding terrorists in their office and even standing in the way of counter terrorist measures by protecting the houses that they used to store their weapons in. Ironically, there is more signs of government oppression in Syria, but I don't hear the BDS calling for boycotts there. Then again, their fight isn't with Syria anyway. How about proving to me that the BDS does NOT condone any acts of terrorism done by Hamas, Hezbollah, or even Fatah in that matter, because I haven't found anything on that?
Feb. 9, 2013, 8:23 pm
JAY from NYC says:
Tal you made the charge not me, you are the one with something to prove, and you still refuse to give names. WHo are the neo naizs tal who are the terrorist sympathizers Tal, names, quotes, and deeds, that simple put up or shut up.
Feb. 9, 2013, 8:43 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
First of all, the group has no definite members, just those who tend to take their support. However, Omar Barghouti is the founder of the movement, and he continues to shout that Israel is an apartheid state despite how many times he has been disproved on that. Ironically, he studied at Tel Aviv University, which is located in Israel. I'm not shocked to hear about his anti-Semetism especially when he was from Qatar which is one of the countries in the world where Jews are strictly prohibited to reside in. Despite his views, the deans at Tel Aviv University never expelled him even after numerous students petitioned for that due to treason. He goes on record for giving nothing but expulsion at Israel, and hardly states any reasons as those such as Dershowitz have been able to expose at him. Omar even gets mentioned in the infamous Electronic Intifada, which is known for promoting violence against innocent Israeli civilians. Also, on that website, Omar even calls for the dismantling of the very own PA in claiming that Abbas has conceded to both Israel and the US. If you don't believe me, here are his entries from the Electronic Intifada that shows his true colors.

http://electronicintifada.net/people/omar-barghouti
Feb. 9, 2013, 9:45 pm
JAY from NYC says:
Tal, that is not neo-nazi or terroist, related put up or shut up.
Feb. 9, 2013, 10:07 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
JAY, the Electronic Intifida is devoted to terrorism. None of the intifadas in the past were ever peaceful by any means. Just look up the ones in both 1987 and 2000, and tell me what Hamas members did. Nevertheless, Omar Barghouti blogs there a lot as he is welcomed there, and the link is proof that he sides with terrorism, and has never condemned any acts done by any terrorist group that attacks innocent Israeli civilians. If you have no idea what an intifada is, the word is defined as a violent uprising, which in other words is hardly an act of peace. Anytime, any world organization sides with Israel, he goes on record for calling them blind and ignorant over there. Just read through all the entries of what he had to say on that website, and you will see where he really sides on. BTW, I am still waiting for where the BDS actually condemns terrorism done by Hamas, which is something you have never proven to me. If they are truly for non-violence, then why aren't they calling them out openly rather than just staying silent whenever they launch attacks on innocent Israeli civilians?
Feb. 9, 2013, 10:25 pm
JAY from NYC says:
Tal, actually intifada means shaking off, so you don't even know the word that you throw about.
But first, Omar Barghouti is not a part of of the group that appeared at Brooklyn College. Second, even if he were, give me a quote Tal where he calls for violence. All he ever does is call for a boycott of Israel, which is not even close to being a neo nazi as you claimed.
You called the people appearing at Brooklyn college part of a group of neo-nazis and terrorist sympathizers and yet you have given no proof, no quotes, and no deeds of those who were at Brooklyn College to substantiate any of your statements.
You have used words that are among the most offensive in the English vocabulary to describe a group of people and you have not offered a single shred of evidence that supports your claim. That is on its face a disgrace and offensive and vile and repugnant.
I have asked you over and over to name names who is involved in neo nazi activity and who are terrorist sympathizers who appeared at Brooklyn college. You have not named any one, and that is because you can not. That speaks for itself, and to the true meaning of the word bigot.
Feb. 10, 2013, 12:31 am
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
JAY, despite him not being there himself, Omar Barghouti is still the founder and leader of the BDS, which is the reason I go on him the most. My fight isn't with the followers, because they are nothing but pawns on his chessboard when it's the king such him to go after. If you have watched a series known as The Legend of Korra, especially the episode, When Extremes Meet, she claims that going after followers of the Equalists isn't the answer to stopping them, but going after Amon, their leader, himself is. To relate this here, I am talking about the group at the source, not where it goes off. For example, the IDF is always going after the main members of Hamas while not trying hurt any other civilians, because they know that their fight isn't with them. The reason why the IDF went after Sheik Ahmad Yassin back in 2005 was because he was the group's spiritual leader and founder. Maybe the US was overreacting when the Navy Seals killed Osama Bin Laden, who is the leader and founder of Al Qaeda as they to have been going after top members as well. If you have actually researched the intifada, they were known for having members of Hamas of all ages go over to the Jewish Quarter in Jerusalem and throw rocks at all Israeli and Jewish civilians, which is hardly a peaceful act. I have seen many Muslim anti-Israel protesters always calling for another intifada especially at the start of the Salute to Israel Parade that I march in every year. Again, I am going after the leader because he is what holds the group together, not anyone who follows after him.
Feb. 10, 2013, 11:50 pm
Homey from Crooklyn says:
What the hell is a gender theorist?
Feb. 11, 2013, 3:58 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
I thank today's letters on the Daily News for calling out the professors at Brooklyn College and agreed with the politicians on the funding.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/feb-11-dumb-joke-peanut-butter-bomb-postal-service-article-1.1259152?pgno=1
Feb. 11, 2013, 6:15 pm
JAY from NYC says:
TAL, you called them neo-nazis and terrorist sympathizers, your latest half-baked attempt at an explanation does not cut it.
You called them names that are vile and repugnant, and you have no basis or evidence for making that claim.
Then there is the fact that you are openly calling for government censorship. I think its time for you to move to north korea or syria where that kind of thing is in fashion.
Feb. 11, 2013, 6:46 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Jay, how about you show me evidence that the BDS actually does support the peace movement between Israel and Palestine? I say this because I have never saw anything proving that. Again, nobody was calling for censorship, they were just asking that the college hosting them not to sponsor it. Keep in mind that Brooklyn College is part of the CUNY system and taxpayer dollars are involved for this. Nobody had anything against them being there, they just wanted this to go either without sponsorship or allow for a group on the other side to have their say to make a debate. BTW, here is the link where Barghouti actually shows that he is against the peace movement and even denies there is actually one going on. On a side note, since you mentioned Syria, I am surprised that the BDS isn't calling for a boycott on that country despite showing more signs of oppression than what they claim of Israel. Then again, they will claim that their fight isn't with Syria, it's with Israel only, making their cause selective. Another side note, Obama will be visiting Israel in the near future for the first time in office as president, and I would love to hear how the Electronic Intifada tends to spin that one.

http://electronicintifada.net/content/what-we-really-need-response-anti-boycott-arguments/7768
Feb. 11, 2013, 9:22 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
BTW, here is where he calls the Palestinian Authority a puppet of the Knesset and Israeli PM even though the reverse sounds more true.

http://electronicintifada.net/content/un-must-act-goldstone-and-pa-must-be-dissolved/8475
Feb. 11, 2013, 9:24 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
While this is still on my mind, here is more recent entry from the Electronic Intifada on where they defend the BDS, and this one not only shows that they are against peace, but this is much more recent as well.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/why-do-zionists-falsely-claim-bds-movement-opposes-two-state-solution
Feb. 11, 2013, 9:30 pm
JAY from NYC says:
TAL you called them names, not me, you called them neo-nazis, not me.
As such its your job to prove it, its not my job to prove your nonsensical absurd vile and repugnant statements. You made them, not me, they are bunk, and thus so are you. End of story.
Feb. 11, 2013, 9:53 pm
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY says:
Here's my evidence that links the BDS with neo-Nazis, now show me where the BDS isn't against peace between Israel and Palestine.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/bds-a-neo-nazi-certified-project/
http://www.pacbi.com/news/index.php?pid=11&id=31
http://unitedwithisrael.org/bds-movement-calls-for-boycotting-israeli-fruit/
Feb. 11, 2013, 10:38 pm
pat from ny says:
This is what Omar Barghouti, the founder of the BDS goes on record for saying to claim that he is clearly against the two state solution let alone peace between Israel and Palestine, "Good riddance! The two-state solution for the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is finally dead. But someone has to issue an official death certificate before the rotting corpse is given a proper burial and we can all move on and explore the more just, moral and therefore enduring alternative for peaceful coexistence between Jews and Arabs in Mandate Palestine: the one-state solution.”

How is "...we can all move on and explore the more just, moral and therefore enduring alternative for peaceful coexistence between Jews and Arabs in Mandate Palestine: the one-state solution." interpreted as a non-peaceful of conflict in Israel/Palestine?

Omar Barghouti's quote DEFINES peace in Israel/Palestine
Feb. 28, 2013, 9:47 am

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