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March 6, 2012 / Brooklyn news / Brooklyn Is Angry

Straphangers to MTA: Don’t kill our G train

The Brooklyn Paper

Hundreds of impassioned straphangers are jumping onboard a movement to save the G train, demanding the MTA keep “The Brooklyn Local” alive by maintaining service at five stations in Park Slope, Windsor Terrace and Kensington.

In less than 24 hours, more than 500 riders signed a petition calling for the continuation of service on the beloved line, which now links North and Brownstone Brooklyns thanks to a rare route extension.

The line extension — which two and a half years ago brought G trains to the Fourth Avenue-Ninth Street, Seventh Avenue, Prospect Park-15th Street, Fort Hamilton Parkway and Church Avenue stations — is set to expire when the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s $257.5 million Culver Viaduct rehabilitation project ends next winter.

But not if transit-boosting pols have anything to say about it.

“We’re not going to take this lying down,” said Williamsburg District Leader Lincoln Restler, who started the petition. “At a time when the MTA is hiking costs and cutting service, the G train extension is the one silver lining.”

Restler says an elimination of G train service would sever a crucial one-seat ride that links important neighborhoods such as Park Slope and Greenpoint — a loss that would be felt by time-strapped straphangers and business owners who rely on the line to transport their clientele.

Commuters realized their Brooklyn-centric ride is inching closer to its last stop last week after the MTA wrapped up a station facelift at the Fourth Avenue–Ninth Street stop, marking a significant milestone for the project.

Riders soon began to rally for continued service in online forums. Councilman Brad Lander (D–Park Slope) and officials with the Straphangers Campaign have joined the fight to keep the service running — but so far the agency has been non-committal.

“No decision has been made,” MTA spokesman Kevin Ortiz said on Monday.

G trainers vow to keep fighting.

“The population along this line is only growing,” said petition-signer Brianna Campbell. “It seems ludicrous that the MTA would want to cut service.”

Reach reporter Natalie O'Neill at noneill@cnglocal.com or by calling her at (718) 260-4505.

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Chill in the Hill from Clinton Hill says:
Can't they just take the F and then transfer to the G? Or is that not possible for the indignant masses of Park Slope?
March 6, 2012, 9:32 am
pete from windsor terrace says:

Well that requires a transfer, and a delay on a
narrow station going north; then going south,say
from Greenpoint.
On paper that may seem easy, but not only is
it time consuming, the narrow platforms won't hold
the growing population of train riders, making it potentially hazardous-those aren't real transfer spots.
Plus the extended G directly connects a whole lot of Brooklyn neighborhoods, including yours-making a real
improvement-which translates into economic gains for
all Brooklyn.
Maybe you have to ride the trains everyday to understand the difference.


March 6, 2012, 10:28 am
common sense from bay ridge says:
Why is it so hard for the MTA to continue service that already exists? It's not like they have to build any tunnels, or even lay more track.

This seems like a pretty cost effective way to encourage the use of public transportation, while making it easier to enjoy Brooklyn without a car.
March 6, 2012, 10:37 am
Chill in the Hill from Clinton Hill says:
pete from windsor,

I ride the trains every day so I understand completely what it's like to rely on a train regularly. I take three trains in the morning, G to Hoyt-Sch., transfer to the A for one stop, to Jay and transfer to the F to Manhattan. The transfers are fast except for the G, which, even at rush hour runs every 10 minutes and has fewer cars than any other train line. And the platforms at Hoyt are narrow, also water floods down from the ceiling above in some areas so that you can't even stand in many portions, but that's another story.
March 6, 2012, 11:23 am
CC from PS says:
"Can't they just take the F and then transfer to the G?"

The whole point is that they would be losing a one-seat ride. Or can't you read?
March 6, 2012, 1:47 pm
E. Graf from Fort Greene/Clinton Hill says:
This will cut down on overcrowding on the G trains enormously, which is a blessing! Now the residents of Clinton Hill can enjoy a bit of peace and quiet on the weekends as well.
March 6, 2012, 1:55 pm
Kevin from Flatbush says:
If only one of those trains - G or F would be express..... on the express tracks that ALREADY EXIST.
That would be nice, using existing infrastructure to help ease people's commutes.

There are 4 tracks from Church to Bergen - and 3 from Stillwell to Church (a la the 7 express in Queens) - and all will be fully operable after the Culver Viaduct rehab.

So, we could have full time express service on either the F or the G between Church and Bergen (there is another set of platforms downstairs at Bergen, and yes, renovation would be needed there) and peak direction express service between Church and Stillwell.

I won't hold my breath.
March 6, 2012, 5:23 pm
Tony from Carroll Gardens says:
Kevin......

The "Express" tracks are only accessible from the 'Jay St MetroTech' side of the F Line, not the G.
So any future express service from downstairs at Bergen would have to be made by the F.

Jay Street...7th Ave.....Church Ave.
March 6, 2012, 5:39 pm
Phil from Formerly CarrolGardens says:
As a once frequent rider and having spent many a day standing at 4th Ave waiting for train to go to Smith9th to hook up with G(GG in my day) .. not doing this intelligent extension would be the most absurd decision ever....my bones still ache from standing there in winter wind evenings awaiting a 1 station 1 line transfer duh !! The hope to open Bergen St has been dream of many and yet another good idea cancelled whenever, just think 2 great ideas within the same decade for neighborhood I loved and hated to leave...triple play would be the 7express third line concept to/from City..dazzling thought ! Hope and support, even for past riders, exists..it is right !!
March 6, 2012, 5:52 pm
Richard Grayson from Apache Junction, AZ says:
Changing trains at Smith-9th Street may seem like a simple thing to some, but it's not, for reasons other people have said here. The station is also out of doors and very high up so it's often cold, windy and wet. Really, a one-train ride is qualitatively a much different experience than a two-train ride.

Also, it was so great to be able to go from Brooklyn all the way to Forest Hills when the G train ran further into Queens than just the one stop at Court Square. It's nice that there's now a transfer to the 7 train there as well as to the E/M, but a really civilized G train would extend from Church Avenue (or maybe further south) to Forest Hills. But that is, of course, a dream.
March 6, 2012, 7:18 pm
Darla from Cobble hill says:
We need the G Train at those additional stops between the park slope community and so forth! The increase in population explosion is wild fire in brooklyn beside the fact of people raising families in the city. Look at all the construction with high rises going up we need the G train to keep those stops in Park Slope, Windsor Terrance and Kensinton!
March 8, 2012, 12:52 pm
Charles from Bklyn says:
It would just be like the MTA to stop one of the few positive transit improvements they have done for Brooklyn in the last 30 years. Way to go MTA!
March 8, 2012, 8:16 pm

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